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Peekaboo

    is there a way to remove the buff? Panda dispel maybe?

    JDF8

      sleep them with naga until the hangover

      the buffs not dispellable

      Totentanz to The King: M ...

        you cant dispel it, but you can apply a DoT to them as its about to end, which will then kill them.

        Shou

          Rum is GOOD and c00L

          JDF8

            yes

            Potato Marshal

              Brew dispel is only a basic dispel. Almost everything is listed on the wiki, so there's no need to experiment with stuff like this.

              A

                What happen to kunkka ? Everyone Seema picking him

                Shou

                  He is good

                  Filthy

                    Kunkkas a boss

                    bibotot1995

                      Attacker! fanboys.

                      Cancer Malaria

                        yeah, been seeing a lot of kunkka in almost every game now, for the sake of "one hit kill" build.

                        Kruelty-

                          Ive played a lot of Kunkka before, as a carry of course, hes a fucking god against almost all carries. he can rape am, pa, slark, TB, drow. I have no idea why people focused only on his q and e skills because kunkka's lat game is fucking massive.

                          Shou

                            Thing is, half of the carries u mentioned that he "rapes" is because of x marks the fucking spot. Am, slark, both get buttfucked by x, not by his other skills individually. The other thing is core kunkka fails in lane against some of the common mids like sf and razor, and even the heroes like am and slark and pa who suffer against tidebringer on a creep, can do just fine if they jump on kunkka and manfight him.

                            Shou

                              Except slark he just sucks
                              All I'm saying is, core kunkka is much more situational than support kunkka since u pick kunkka support for lots of catch, which is much more needed in drafts than huge aoe physical dmg in core kunkka. The catch of x is more beneficial than the dmg of tidebringer.

                              Gazz   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                Its all fun and games until the enemy team buys Euls or Linken.

                                Filthy

                                  Playing core kunkka sucks agaisnt High hope carries but most agility carries get one shotted late game .

                                  JDF8

                                    u do 3000 pure damage on a crit with shadow blade and 1 rapier, theres nobody that ur not oneshotting

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                                    one syllable anglo-saxon

                                      wow cool when i used to play core kunkka sb 2x daedalus rapier was 1.6-1.8k very interesting :thinking:

                                      JDF8

                                        2k flat with armlet and sb active, x1.5 cleave multiplier

                                        phase armlet sb 1x crit rapier

                                        Shou

                                          U need to get a rapier and a crit and land it, and on a creep since it'll be a lot less dmg tidebringing on a 50 armor dk. And if u don't crit u gotta wait another 4 seconds. U rely on critting on rlly low armor targets. And u need ur blink dagger, if u sb in ur not getting out so if u whiffed they bkb and go on u and u die. U gotta x urself then blink in. Requires unholy amounts of farm too. It's good when u get the right situation, but u can't imo spam kunkka carry, and have consistent results.

                                          one syllable anglo-saxon

                                            why does this crusader 4 individual

                                            keep spamming all the threads with his advice when he doesnt even know how cleave works

                                            JDF8

                                              u can't imo spam kunkka carry, and have consistent results.

                                              https://www.dotabuff.com/players/458294374/matches?hero=kunkka&enhance=overview

                                              Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                man you are clearly just a pathetic human being smurfing on a 0k mmr account so just fuck off. kunkka core is fine, not an every game thing and also not reliable, but he is actually a good laner, good teamfight, good disable, good aoe damage. if he doesnt have to manfight anyone throught the game, he is pretty good.

                                                JDF8

                                                  the only reason its relevant is it’s the same bracket as the quoted guy

                                                  Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                    its not the same bracket and even if it was, this not your real skill level. you can pick literally any hero and do the same thing if you are playing against people 3-4k mmr below you.

                                                    JDF8

                                                      my internet dcs 3-7 times per match hmm why isnt this guy spamming solo ranked but instead playing games where it doesnt matter who fucking knows guess it’ll be one of the great mysteries of our time

                                                      Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                        this is not even relevant. i never asked you why you are playing on this account and i dont care either way, but you cant just say "hey guys look, kunkka core works when you are playing against total morons"

                                                        Shou

                                                          If what I said was wrong feel free to tell me what and why
                                                          If you can't I'll assume I'm right

                                                          JDF8

                                                            Ur not a moron so im not going to link you the guide tab, but if people are getting 60+% winrates with a hero as core I wouldnt call him unreliable

                                                            The only time ur damage is unreliable is when ur pushing hg, because your opportunities are much less for cleave, and when you can it’s usually because either theyre stunned or you have blink

                                                            In any other circumstance he’s only unreliable in the sense that he can miss. By this metric, invoker is just as unreliable. In my mind an unreliable core hero is sky-you can play well, one force staff is going to negate your ability to kill anything.

                                                            Filthy

                                                              Kunkka can crit for over 2k pure damge with 2 Daedalus and level 25 talent and around 3k with rapier like you mentioned however I was talking more about the carries that with items go over 3k health. So like for instance a antimage without heart or a juggernaUt without skadi you can one shot without even haveing to build rapiers . But a hero like DK you would need 2 rapiers minimum to one shot . I’ve noticed a lot of the times the enemy carry will either get away or life steal back up if you don’t land her one and done on them in the late game so your chances are a lot higher if your above thier threshold even if the damage difference is not much .

                                                              JDF8

                                                                i dont care either way

                                                                clearly you care quite a bit if ur gonna take ur time to announce your value assessment of me as a human being that u obtained by how I play a video game LMAO

                                                                Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                                  oh god, literally all i said is that this hero is "unreliable" because his spells are not easy to hit without setup and you are giving me a lecture why this hero is not bad even though i didnt even say he is bad. and yes i dont care why you play on it, but i do care about it because you are using it to prove your point. "hey guys im a grandmaster at chess and i beat this 5 year old kid using this strat so its clearly not a bad strat" this is pretty much how dumb you sound.

                                                                  Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                                    also, a good player can have 60% winrate on any hero. 60% is not even that high.

                                                                    Filthy

                                                                      The thing about blink crit kunkka that sucks is he’s not really the greatest when you’re trying to throne the enemy team , happens more than you think with kunkka , your two races down or been megad and you just teamwipe the enemy team at your base so you began pushing towards he enemy throne but when enemy team buys back or you didn’t push the Megas / defended base fast enough and by the time your finished with mid rax a team fight starts but your in a vulnerable position because A . Your x spot is fairly close to thier base even with blink and B . Most likely thier creeps are not around so will have to cleave off hero’s only which can be hard sometimes in a chaotic late game team fight so your impact is not nearly as great as when your defending and if you happen to have rapiers a good chance to lose them . Honestly I think next time this happens I will play more conservative and if my team gets wiped at there base so be it hopefully can wipe them enough times at my base with hem lacking buy back . It’s nice when you got a good late game carry on your team that can man up and finish the game for you after you wipe them at your base .

                                                                      Filthy

                                                                        ^ if my post above is tldr material I’ll delete it btw .

                                                                        JDF8

                                                                          u naturally have setup, and torrent has 1200 range or something stupid

                                                                          u dont pick kunkka to x combo the lifestealer. anyone without euls or bkb your combo is guaranteed to hit outside of certain matchups (mainly od), which is honestly 50/50 importance versus the rum anyway

                                                                          theres a difference between unreliable and hard to execute. just because u have be patient and cant just brainlessly walk at cores with x doesnt mean ur combos inherently unreliable

                                                                          JDF8

                                                                            yes if a player says “the london system is inherently unreliable” and i show him that i won 15 matches with it +-20% of his chess elo, my skill as a player is irrelevant. the argument is not whether i am a superior player, but whether consistency is possible at all

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                                                                            JDF8

                                                                              If a marksman says “ironsights are unreliable on the Mosin-Nagant M28/30 rifle past 500 meters” and Simo Häyhä replies that he killed 50 russians with ironsights at 900 meters, who is right :thinking:

                                                                              Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                                                you know what hero is reliable? puck. you just blink and use your shit, people have literally no time to react. with kunkka by the time boat lands people have billions of ways to do something about it, even if you have setup for it. and his damage is the same. you need them all to be close to each other otherwise tidebringer is just not useful. yes you can position yourself but its not always easy. some fights are even over by the time you have time to do things. i have no idea why you are defending this so much, but w/e i have nothing else to say. if it works for you just play it.

                                                                                JDF8

                                                                                  In the future it would behoove you to learn debate skills that amount to more than “call the other guy pond scum”

                                                                                  Riguma Borusu

                                                                                    U need to get a rapier and a crit and land it, and on a creep since it'll be a lot less dmg tidebringing on a 50 armor dk

                                                                                    It won't, that's not how cleave works. The primary target will take less damage, yes, but everyone else is hit by the same non armor reductible damage.

                                                                                    one syllable anglo-saxon

                                                                                      its unreal how many people think cleave takes initial armor into account

                                                                                      one syllable anglo-saxon

                                                                                        like if uve seen sven being played at least a dozen times and when he manages to get a jump on multiple people and for some reason both of them die equally fast CLEARLY something doesnt add up

                                                                                        Lazerhawk

                                                                                          admiral, why do you play on a 0k account? Does it make you feel good when you literally dumpster players that have never heard of the phrase tread switching? Hell, it's probably their 2nd matchup vs Kunkka. I am boggled because you seem like a decently intelligent individual and yet you do things that make you look like a complete douche bag. It's one thing to play a smurf account and just play dota. It is an entirely different thing to purposely lose games (yes, your game history shows your 0-40 kda games) to get in low brackets and then spam kunkka; And then have the audacity to talk about consistency with said hero.

                                                                                          Because no one gives a fuck that you can wreck Heralds and Gaurdians. I can spam Timbersaw all day long (or CM or some shit) in Herald and get the same results and come here to say "Timber is a reliable carry". And I would be correct in the sense that IT IS reliable, but only against opponents who are clueless in dealing with it. Don't you realize how trash that makes you look? Honest question. It's not the same thing as an amazing player who is just so good that others can't compete (like your Simo Häyhä analogy). You PURPOSELY put yourself against lower skill. That's like Simo only choosing to fight against people with handguns.

                                                                                          JDF8

                                                                                            I initially got this account to play with someone that was completely new, because if I played with him on my actual account the skill level would even out to where games were "even" but completely unenjoyable for him. Which is kind of moot because he hasnt even played dota in like 2 weeks

                                                                                            It got to the point where my internet is so shitty that sometimes in a match of dota, I get an abandon if people spam unpause. In lane my hero ends up walking back to fountain once or twice sometimes

                                                                                            I only had to lose one 50 minute ranked match to DCing in the middle of a rax defense to decide that I'm never doing that shit again

                                                                                            Since I don't want to play actual games of dota and lose, I've just played a bunch of games on this acount. The issue is, I'm just playing the same exact game 60 times, so it does get boring pretty fast

                                                                                            For the record, the only games played by me are on US East.

                                                                                            I had to disable and reenable my wifi driver to post this fucking message

                                                                                            Feachairu

                                                                                              is dis the no net neutrality effect?

                                                                                              JDF8

                                                                                                no its just some kind of unidentifiable driver issue, i've tried everything under the sun

                                                                                                im going to have to take it to the shop after new years i guess

                                                                                                Feachairu

                                                                                                  o i see

                                                                                                  Seoulmate

                                                                                                    how do you deal with these people on a daily basis sam

                                                                                                    muted all, it's just a ga...

                                                                                                      @admiral Bro, I have 10x more kunkka games than u and I can confirm that aggresive perfector is right. kunkka is not a bad hero but it is extremely unreliable. Listen to divine players if you want to improve, if you cant see your flaw, you will never improve