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    Hi all,
    can I please get some advise on what I am doing wrong with weaver ? I get kills, usually a good amount.....but I cannot win the game since I die too quickly and the core players die right after! I am not balming anyone or try to say I am better.
    I just need help from experts.
    Here is the link to my weaver games : https://www.dotabuff.com/players/87848983/matches?hero=weaver
    and merry xmas!

    Potato Marshal

      You rush linkens for no reason every game, even in matches where the only targeted spell on the enemy team is battle hunger and cull, you go a different skill build every single match for some reason and it just looks like you allot your skill points randomly.

      Fee Too Pee

        I will just give advice for you based on MY EXPERIENCES

        weaver offlane have high potential for contesting safe lane yes, he can be your third carry, yes.

        But the point is, offlane is a role for iniitiator, or generally tanky offlane that provide vision and open the path for your mid and safe lane to deal damage.

        With you picking offlane weaver, the path for war have been closed.

        Sure you can get farmed, but your team cannot get any initiation. Especially for High ground

        TL:DR: you are doing great at contesting safe lane. But Weaver is not good for teamfighting

        Tribo

          Weavers who rush linkens deserve to be reported.
          To scale properly into the mid/late game, you need to get items that give you a lot of strength/agility. You main goal is to kill people in the back line and use your first skill to cancel blinks, provide vision and to help your team in team fights.
          I usually build diffiusal as the first big item for Weaver because of the agi that it gives to you and mana burn(together with the talent, you become a mana burn machine). The rest of the items are situational.
          As Marshall said, you build linkens for no reason every game.
          Just use your brain for a minute, don't strictly follow the shitty guides and ask yourself: "Why am I building this item for?"

          Jag$in

            As per your games you go linken the first item often that's what you are doing wrong as per my opinion you can try the build i make and see if it makes any change to your winrate and you win more games.
            1.Boots
            2.Aquila
            3.Diffusal/desolater (can make any which ever possible to make faster as per gold)
            4.Bkb/Linken (either 1)
            5.Butterfly/daedelus/mkb (either 1 or 2 as per late game)
            6.Situational items like (hurricane pike, orchid, skadi, Scepter, manta, Assault, Mjollnir or Radiance)

            Shou

              Do not build linkens if u don't need it, even if u do, get it after ur lance or diffusal or first core item
              Mjollnir is a good item, generally try not to build too many tanky items, just build an ass load of dmg, and a bkb or linkens whichever one u need, if u need neither then that's even better. Take 12 strength also. Skip boots if u don't need them.

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                OK , understood. Thank you for advise, I really appreciate it and yes the point taken. last game I tried the build you advised and result was great.
                and yeah I know my winrate is shit but I still love the game :)
                Thank you all again.

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                  btw linken last time was for bloodseeker. but if you ulti after he ruptures you, that that remove the rupture effect too ?

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                  Potato Marshal

                    Nothing removes rupture, same for most ults

                    Shou

                      If u ulti after rupture and move too far away u'll take retarded dmg

                      Bs is rather good against weaver

                      Linkens is needed, then I'd go diffusal maelstrom orchid mjollnir bloodthorn or smth

                      kunst 2

                        I feel like I can't do anything with him on any position in this patch.

                        Peekaboo

                          definately not an expert, although i'm fairly sure that weavers role in this current metagame follows a similar path to how fanatic plays him (EE). Weavers strength is usually due to his Mobility and 'space creating' abilities, alot of players like to 'space take' and play him like a 'medusa' style of perma farming, splitpushing carry.
                          while that playstyle can still work, i firmly believe that in general you want too essentially 'perma fight' or 'cut creep waves' just be a neusance because in the majority of games it'll require multiple supports and a core to kill a weaver, which grants alot of space to your other cores.

                          Peekaboo

                            long story short
                            be a space maker, not a space taker

                            Eddie

                              Treads Aquila d lance blight stone early game
                              Next big item linkens/diffusal/desi depending on their lineup

                              Shou

                                Max bugs after shukuchi
                                And use them
                                Fight only when u have it, if u whiffed bugs then wait for them to come back off cd

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                                  Thank you all. I will try to use your advice!

                                  Chiwa

                                    Bootless midas rush into mjolnir is the only way to play weaver