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General DiscussionMorphling nerfed af, they killed our early 400hp carry.

Morphling nerfed af, they killed our early 400hp carry. in General Discussion
Average Aghanim Enjoyer

    What do you think about this? It was necesary? i think it wasn't, why they didn't just nerfed the turn rate instead of the hole hero?
    Everyone knows that he is dead against the most of the heros in the game, shaman and lion will instakill, invoker with a good timing with tornado and sunstrike too, sven will 3 hits with his combo, we have like 120 heros and like 50 or more are morphling counters now.

    I just want to know what the community in here thinks about it

    bearcat0611

      Here's why the hero needed a nerf. He needed a nerf because the hero was strong and almost required that you have certain heroes to counter him. No hero should make it almost a guarenteed loss if you don't have one of the counters. Therefore, nerf the thing that makes the hero require certain heroes, make it so that more heroes can deal with him. I agree that he may have gotten nerfed too hard but I think that the problem isn't the stun nerf but rather the additional nerfs on top of that one.

      Riguma Borusu

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        Average Aghanim Enjoyer

          why did they make it so OP to nerf it more than needed?
          The no manacost in atribute change was op af and now they changed something that was with morphling in all his “life” in dota

          Jacked

            I agree. They made it OP And then nerfed it completely With a change in the entire concept by removing attribute shift on stun.

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            Lokieleven

              Morph is dead. I actually can’t see the hero being decent anymor

              .duDudu

                i believe the only way to make morph works again is by adding like lv 15 or 20 talent "morph can still be use while stunned"
                this hero is unplayable RFN

                .duDudu

                  oh they changed the name to attribute shift, i forgot

                  Cheap Laugh Guy

                    That nerf hurts a fuck ton

                    Player 281121816

                      Like i said, kids will crying for nerf and spam it on forum because their 5 carry 1 jungler strats just get wrecked by single morph
                      Since i always use support shaman or riki,i have no problemo against morph.But since it on sea, everyone pick 5 carry with low health

                      bibotot1995

                        I just see 3 consecutive threads of people whining about Morphling nerf. Jeez. Get over with it.

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                        Stone Cold Steve Austin

                          It's a bit less of whining, and more of being dumbfounded on the kind of nerf that completely kills off a hero. Because no, they couldn't have gone back to give the shift a manacost, or lower the rates, instead of admitting their imbalanced "zero mana, extreme rate" changes, they have to nerf the mechanism itself.

                          <darth>

                            Atleast get the old ult back...

                            Stone Cold Steve Austin

                              That would also require them to admit they made a mistake.
                              Now we can sit back and wait the time they will decide to bring him back too, after he'll be sitting on the top 10 worst winrate heroes for a long time.

                              Player 345996680

                                i mean there is a reason you build fucking linkens. the hero now needs some skill to play, and is not braindead levels of easy.

                                chicken spook,,,,

                                  ^xD

                                  Average Aghanim Enjoyer

                                    I agree with the lvl 15-20 talent to use atribute shift while stunned
                                    It will help the crying people and only if you’re really good you can get it fast, at least Morphlig is a complexity 3 hero and needs skill

                                    ii

                                      where the hell are the patch notes

                                      Stentorian

                                        win rate down from 50% to 43%

                                        lel

                                        Riguma Borusu

                                          2 balanced

                                          Average Aghanim Enjoyer

                                            You can right-click in dota and select ''view news''
                                            but here, ill get it for you
                                            All patch notes:

                                            * Added the following abilities to Ability Draft: Fire Remnant, Psionic Trap, Chakram

                                            7.07d:
                                            ==
                                            * Neutral Ancients gold bounties reduced by 10%

                                            * Arcane Rune: Manacost Reduction reduced from 40% to 30% (same as the cooldown reduction)

                                            * Aeon Disk: Recipe cost reduced from 1600 to 1350
                                            * Butterfly: Bonus damage reduced from 30 to 25
                                            * Helm of the Dominator: Attack Speed reduced from 10 to 5
                                            * Helm of the Dominator: Attack Speed Aura increased from 15 to 20
                                            * Hurricane Pike: Cooldown increased from 15 to 18
                                            * Linken's Sphere: Recipe cost increased from 1000 to 1200
                                            * Manta Style: Attack speed reduced from 15 to 10
                                            * Manta Style: Movement Speed reduced from 10% to 8%
                                            * Mask of Madness: Movement speed bonus reduced from 17% to 12%
                                            * Mask of Madness: Armor reduction increased from 7 to 8
                                            * Meteor Hammer: Channeling time reduced from 3 to 2.5
                                            * Necronomicon: Mana Break increased from 20/30/40 to 30/40/50
                                            * Necronomicon: Mana Break damage from 60 to 50%
                                            * Nullifier: Cooldown reduced from 14 to 13
                                            * Nullifier: Manacost reduced from 100 to 75

                                            * Alchemist: Unstable Concoction damage increased from 150/220/290/360 to 160/240/320/400
                                            * Bane: Enfeeble duration reduced from 20 to 14/16/18/20
                                            * Bane: Brain Sap damage rescaled from 90/160/230/300 to 75/150/225/300
                                            * Brewmaster: Drunken Haze cooldown increased from 8/7/6/5 to 11/9/7/5
                                            * Broodmother: Spiders vision reduced from 1100/800 to 700/700
                                            * Chen: Base damage increased by 5
                                            * Chen: Movement speed increased from 300 to 310
                                            * Dazzle: Level 10 Talent from +175 Health to +200
                                            * Dazzle: Level 10 Talent from +60 Damage to +75
                                            * Earth Spirit: Boulder Smash stun duration from 0.75/1.25/1.75/2.25 to 0.5/1.0/1.5/2.0
                                            * Enigma: Base strength increased from 17 to 19
                                            * Enigma: Eidolons movement speed increased from 280/300/320/340 to 280/310/340/370
                                            * Medusa: Strength gain reduced from 1.5 to 1.3
                                            * Medusa: Movement speed reduced from 285 to 275
                                            * Medusa: Level 10 Talent reduced from +25 Damage to +20
                                            * Morphling: Attribute Shift can no longer be activated while stunned (but will continue if activated in advance)
                                            * Morphling: Waveform damage reduced from 100/175/250/325 to 75/150/225/300
                                            * Morphling: Level 15 Talent from Waveform Attacks Targets to +15s Morph Duration
                                            * Morphling: Level 20 Talent from +15s Morph Duration to Waveform Attacks Targets
                                            * Nightstalker: Hunter in the Night attack speed rescaled from 45/60/75/90 to 30/50/70/90
                                            * Omniknight: Purification cast range reduced from 575 to 450
                                            * Omniknight: Level 20 Talent from +4 Mana Regen to +3
                                            * Omniknight: Guardian Angel cooldown rescaled from 160 to 180/170/160
                                            * Pudge: Meat Hook manacost increased from 110/120/130/140 to 140
                                            * Razor: Static Link cooldown rescaled increased from 32/30/28/26 to 40/35/30/25
                                            * Sand King: Burrowstrike damage reduced from 100/160/220/280 to 85/150/215/280
                                            * Shadow Demon: Level 10 Talent changed from +10 Strength to Soul Catcher Creates Illusion On Death
                                            * Storm Spirit: Ball Lightning AoE rescaled from 125/200/275 to 200
                                            * Storm Spirit: Level 10 Talent reduced from +2.0 Mana Regen to 1.75
                                            * Tinker: Laser cooldown increased from 14 to 20/18/16/14
                                            * Tiny: Grow attack speed reduction increased from 20/30/40 to 20/35/50
                                            * Winter Wyvern: Cold Embrace base heal reduced from 15 to 10
                                            * Winter Wyvern: Arctic Burn damage reduced from 7.5/8/8.5/9% to 6/7/8/9%

                                            dont be thrilled by this ...

                                              i dont know how people say its nerfed ... his main ability (shifting agi/str) doesnt need mana any more, means if u are not hard countered by mana burners ... that ult is stronger now imao

                                              Stone Cold Steve Austin

                                                Good luck choosing the ulti talent and getting banned for it.
                                                Also, we're talking about version "d", if you can't see how he's nerfed, then get two new pairs of glasses.

                                                Friendly player

                                                  Are you actually complaining about "Attribute Shift can no longer be activated while stunned"?
                                                  needed 2-3teammates to kill that shit and ur complaining lol.

                                                  葉富森

                                                    a brain transplant may be better,and his ult doesn't allow him to rat like before and it's not even used 90% of the time

                                                    Stone Cold Steve Austin

                                                      Complaining or not is not the issue here, the fact is that it was a huge nerf, and that the hero immediately disappeared from pro meta indefinitely.

                                                      Hatrið mun sigra

                                                        I don't think he's completely dead, but more of a last pick when the enemy team doesn't have many lockdowns

                                                        Average Aghanim Enjoyer

                                                          I think Morphling can still be playable but you need to play it like weaver
                                                          You may ask how?
                                                          Being a p*ssy and the only thing you can buy now in early is linken.
                                                          Also you cant have less than 900HP because everyone will destroy you, goodbye 400hp early Morphling.

                                                          Ayaneru   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                                            Morphling is still fucking strong late game, but atleast not in the early game.

                                                            Friendly player

                                                              thats the point, if you dont have specific heroes (instant stun) for him you wont kill him early game, mid game and eventually late game as he gets fed.

                                                              Average Aghanim Enjoyer

                                                                Also a Invoker with good timing can instakill Morph, tornado and sunstrike
                                                                it doesn't give you time to change your atributes
                                                                ALSO
                                                                YOU CANT USE ATRIBUTE SHIFT WHEN YOU ARE TAUNTED BY AXE
                                                                THAT'S NOT A STUN
                                                                They need to change so much mechanics if they want this nerf
                                                                only while stunned? being TAUNTED or VANISHED isnt STUNNED
                                                                FROGGO PLZ FIX

                                                                Average Aghanim Enjoyer

                                                                  Or is it? because i tested right now and if an ALLY OD astrals you, then you cant use atribute shift, that's getting stunned by a teammate?