General Discussion

General DiscussionQuestions and Notes about the patch.

Questions and Notes about the patch. in General Discussion
Kruelty-

    1) Which items give you true strike now since MKB has been (nerfed?)?

    2) Is supporting now more difficult? Courier is 200 gold and wards is for 80. Plus I like how we are only allowed to buy 1 courier.

    3) Is Bane viable as carry now? Auto attacks doesnt cancel nightmare + Brain sap literally fucks any hero.

    4) Is beastmaster now the best pusher in the game? 2 boars / +40 boar damage / drums / necrobook / a neutral / the new item hammer smthing. He would literally finish an entire lane in one go if he could.

    5) Whats the deal with Brood now? I feel like the rework left the hero completely dead. (Basically heavily nerfed)

    6) Disruptor can now permanently trap a hero inside his kinetic field, -3 cd talent with +4 duration.

    7) Nyx: Vendetta Unobstructed Pathing, too op?

    8) Pipe of Insight now affects building as well.

    Shou

      1) bloodthorn
      2) u dont have to upgrade courier, and wards were stupidly cheap before, theyre more fair now
      3) no, he wins his lane but doesnt scale well enough as a core. maybe he can take offlane but not mid
      4) beast cud do shit like this before with vlads drums necro ac, imo he wud need to highroll an alpha wolf or smth to do rlly crazy shit. in all honesty, clinx is still probably the best pusher, he can take rax with just ac and deso through backdoor protection
      5) tbh i think she is nerfed, but in a way that pushes her even farther from spider dependent and closer towards right click carry considering how without invis in webs she cant offlane as well, and how good insatiable hunger is. im rlly not sure abt this hero.
      6) shaman cud perma shackles doesnt make it good, we will have to see on this one
      7) good but not op
      8) needed considering the meteor item and viper poison attack and jakiro and all that jazz

      76561198056619199

        Void backtrack is back on level 25! :D and if I'm correct MKB true strike doesn't work against backtrack. Such good talent buffs.

        Riguma Borusu

          no, he wins his lane but doesnt scale well enough as a core. maybe he can take offlane but not mid

          220 damage doesn't scale well enough? you could literally build a moon shard on that piece of shit and he'd be able to 1v1 anyone

          but it is really cheesy tho

          Cheap Laugh Guy

            5) Dude, no more invisibility for the cost of having MS and terrain walking buff even when taking damage is worth it. Hide in trees = They can't see you. I think it's a buff. You can run away fast as fuck into trees, it's annoying as fuck.

            Demigod

              I think MKB still grants true strike for 75% even a max blur from PA is 50% then 75% is still a higher proximity or a butterfly for
              35% evade still 75% has a higher chance

              One

                Pa got huge buffs with mkb nerf and more evade with talent.
                Im more curious about MK 25 lvl talent +1 ring. What is that?

                Snu

                  I'm surprised at no questions on Riki. The smokecloud buff alone was a treat, but what about that level 25 talent? I am not looking forward to the inevitable cancer that used to be...

                  Stentorian

                    better pusher than beastmaster is wk.

                    mass skeletons, book 3, and a dominator.

                    Shou

                      220 dmg on a hero with an ability that prevents right clicking and a channeling ult?
                      idk right clicking doesnt fit banes profile

                      Riguma Borusu

                        220 dmg on a hero with an ability that prevents right clicking and a channeling ult?

                        Bane can attack nightmared units without waking them up now. That's the point. Also he can finish people off with ult and he has a talent that makes it super long.

                        But eh I don't think you will ever get to channel it forever in a real game.

                        he smokecloud buff alone was a treat, but what about that level 25 talent? I am not looking forward to the inevitable cancer that used to be...

                        it's basically a gimmick, just dust him and that's it. Put a sentry down if he has a manta or lotus for some reason.

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                        meteor hammer

                          riki with gem bfury and manta xD

                          Shou

                            eh its not bad, but idk abt this bane right click
                            good stats, decent dmg, but imo probably wont work

                            matrice

                              if bane can steal damage from creep and not only from hero. Then he is probably at top 10 hero of the version (as a carry). If on top of that, the damage he steal stacks -from multiple source-, then he is probably a top2-3 of the version.

                              If he can only steal damage from hero, then he'll just be a bad razor, (if played as a carry).

                              Btw, does anyone know if io can attack from the bonus shot of drow's agahnims ? If so, that's the most broken shit of the patch.
                              Anyway Dunno how they could in their sanity give to io, 4 lvl 25 talent, with the possibility to pick 3 of them.

                              Dunno what's in their mind. they didn't not nerfed nyx, they added stupid lvl 25 talent on kotl and ww. Well why not, they want pos4 to pee from min-1 to min+200 on everyone who is not pos4. But seriously, that io buff ??????? It just make io peeing on everyone, even pos4.

                              Not even our new god morphling can save the day on that

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                              meteor hammer

                                only can steal from hero

                                matrice

                                  Nice to know that bane will not be too cancerous pppp

                                  Dunno why they'd wait for the major to end, if they are taking into account its result, and buff the most contested hero D.

                                  PS: I should have bet on the slark nerf. I told some friends (who were claiming slark gonna get a buff), that slark was going to receive a random nerf instead (cause nyx gonna reflect the nerf back to slark thx to his OP carapace)

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                                  Kruelty-

                                    Bane with his talents and his aghs can literally kill any hero he encounters.
                                    1) Bane can attack nightmare heroes = 7 second disable
                                    2) Brain Sap with aghs = 1.5 CD = 4 brain saps = 1200 damage or with level 25 talent 550 damage per sap = 2200 damage.
                                    3) level 10 talent with level 20 talent = +200 damage = 1400 physical damage
                                    4) Fiends Grip + level 25 talent = 12 second disable = 1200 damage

                                    with his level 15 talent +40% exp, the and with good farm, the hero would be a killing machine, and all the damage counted above is even without damage/magic items.

                                    Shou

                                      his target wud have to be standing still for a long time
                                      also an item called L O T U S O R B exists which nullifies everything

                                      Väinämöinen

                                        stop acting like noobs

                                        1. VERY IMPORTANT
                                        many heros never actually get their 25 talent ffs

                                        2. bane cant push waves, he will bever be a viable 1 or 2 position core and remains a niche pos 3 pick

                                        Kruelty-

                                          Thats why I mentioned his +40% exp talent...

                                          zDonFrank

                                            bloodthorn
                                            silver edge
                                            viper nethertoxin
                                            ember spirit talent

                                            Yung Beethoven

                                              im pretty sure bane is going to find his way to the core role with these enormous buffs. Obviously he gets hard countered by oracle, aba and legion, but almost every carry has a direct counter to him, so who cares.

                                              cartel

                                                U can also get accuracy items like crest