They mostly nerfred netherotoxin damage. New poison is almost as strong and corrosive skin is almost as strong. And you get an extra ability.
Not a right clicker now but nethertoxin ability can farm. So his role is mostly mid space creator and disabler, weaker in lane, doesn't scale as well late for tower dmg.
Still will win lane against almost any hero. His kill potential is even higher now I think
Im thinking aghs is probably now an item you want to go. Maybe go veil and focus on the magic damage side, not sure how well it would work but thats kind of what im thinking. possibly go atos so you can hold someone in nethertoxin. I'm just not sure viper's going to have a place, he doesn't really seem like a mid hero to me, more like an offlaner but he doesn't work great there either.
viper strike will do 1225 dmg, 10s cd with aghs. With nethertoxin magic reduce that's a ton of dmg. An aghs viper will probably be very scary.
Poison attack is better vs buildings now than before though, reduces attack speed by 5% more and the dmg scales a ton more so you can do 50 dps at 50% hp. It's going to be tough to decide.
Also old viper had mana issues with ult but now you'll probably build some regen on him for nethertoxin spam as well. Maybe orchid? linkens or lotus? Then atos, veil and aghs?
right now veil into atos and aghs sounds like the way to go, probably need a mana regen item in there somewhere. He seems more like a utility offlaner now. I don't know if you'd want him mid anymore but i'm not sure where else he fits.
Viper still needs to right click in order to spit poison and slow
It's like Venomancer, Veno doesn't have any carry passive but the talent gives them the stats and damage needed and they're agi heroes
So you play them as a less greedy carry which is sort of like pos 3 but can scale depending on farm
You can probably build Radiance on Viper now like Necro since he's durable and has the skill to farm faster
they added a cooldown on his orb attack. big nerf right here.
armor reduced.
ms reduced.
massive nerf to the hero.
sadly, all viper brought to the game was his ability to win the lane and hopefully turn it into some late game viability. now that's gone.
even the break isn't that big of a deal. it's AOE, which means if you get out of the area, you're fine.
I kind of disagree with some things that have been said here. Having an aoe grounded ability forces the opponent to move, and that in itself is zoning. Add some slow on top of that and you have like 2-4 free attacks before the enemy can choose to return fire, at which point you can get out of harms way.
I think we'll see a hybrid between focusing on the damage of viper strike, the normal attack and teaming up with nukers to utilize his kit even better. Viewing a hero strictly as what he can do by himself will always end up being at least somewhat wrong.
I have tried the magic damage build on him now. He's so much worse in the early laning stage and probably significantly worse in the laning stage as a whole, about the same in the early midgame if your ahead i feel like he may be even worse if your behind but maybe not, I played against unfair bots so. And he falls off so much harder late, you literally dont do anything against bkb other than the slow with the ult, which is significant but a lot less than you could do previously. silence also now fucks you over. magic build lacks armour, but that may also be because I went fairly offensive and you could probably play it more defensive.
In the end the verdict is, magic viper is way worse than old viper and legitimately does nothing at 30 min whether your ahead or not. right click viper may be better but I think he'll have a lot of the same problems and just wont scale as well either.
Yeah I’ll probably never play him again even if he’s good. I loved building him like sniper
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So what the fuck is viper now.Before he was the hero you picked when you wanted to win a lane, now I don't think he wins lanes like he used to. They took a hero that already struggles with scaling issues and made him even worse at scaling so i don't you can justify wasting a core postion on him, maybe offlane but he still has the problems with offlane he had before, the talents seem like they expected him to continue being a right clicker. You could maybe run support but he's slow as shit and doesn't provide you a whole lot. THe only time i think you would pick him now is to counter a passive reliant hero, but even then what position do you play him as.
tldr What the fuck is vipers identity now.