Visage - stuff that kill birds fast are good vs him i think - sven(E adds armor as well), earthshaker. Anyway he is quite broken when played mid and deserves some nerf.
Arc Warden - no idea really.
2 retarded heroes,if i had lastpick vs them i would go meepo and feel somewhat comfortable.Dont know other heroes that are good vs these broken shit heroes.
Illusion heroes in general destroy Arc. CK/PL are his worst nightmare since they both have ways to easily close the gap and Arc doesn't have Aoe damage except Mjollnir. Aside from illusion heroes, would be Viper in laning and Slark (really strong chase vs Arc).
As for visage, heroes with strong DoTs like Venomancer destroy him.
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veno doesnt destroy visage. against visage you need mobile heroes. anything else he can deal with really. against arc warden meepo is really good (but most people dont play him), anti mage is also good.
arc warden loses to pl, ck, meepo, all of these r not affected by flux, and can rush him easily and get into magnetic field
arc warden- in lane get a hero who is impossible for him to kill, ideally someone who is tanky and melee who dgaf about flux or his right clicks and can deny everything. legion commander, for example. i personally pick bloodseeker or ursa
later on he sucks against people who can stick on him and have huge physical damage, ideally melee so they dont care bubble. once again, lc ursa bs slardar+ls etc. keep in mind a lot of heroes are countered if they DONT GO ON HIM, ie lc clinkz and the like are useless against bubble if they dont go on arc first
there are so many counters to arc. the main thing is destroy him during laning and end before 30 mins. lots of heroes have really favorable match ups in lane against him such as brood, meepo, lycan, pa, druid, and lc. and for late game counters go with pl, ck, slark, or AM.
Visage is countered by veno, and like said before sven for his high armor and anything that can kill the birds. Underlord can root them I believe.
As for arc. Gank him early(pudge and lc do well) and any hero that can get in close before he can ult. Usually end the game before an arc gets 6 slotted.
get glimmer capes and glimmer whoever th eclone goes on it cant carry detection
lotus displs hex AND thorn
u can also kite th clone with euls or whatever
The easiest way is to learn to play them. If you really want to win vs AW, it's actually super ez. Pick Brood/PL, it's pretty much impossible to win vs those heroes if you get them in your lane. Visage is a little bit tricky, hero is broken & it's super hard to deal without team's help. I see you pick a lot of SF, he sucks vs those heroes, just don't pick him vs AW/Visage. Also keep in mind that there is a big probability that you play against boosters, AW & Visage are really common boosters picks. If someone is really good at those heroes, he can't be 4k mmr.
arc doesn't do well against illusion heroes and heroes that can get on top of him and burst him down like AM, slark, sven, storm etc
yea i just good at 1 heroes, i fuckin supprise when i raze visage my damage was so fuckin low
and then i got fuckedup entire game
Arc warden spammer here with a few tips to counter the AW. Ganking an arc warden early is important, but always do it before his level 6 so it doesn't end up as a slaughter for both sides. Glimmer capes prevent AW from solo killing with double- unless he dispells glimmer with diffusal. Pick heroes in lane that can block or dispell flux and wraith. Pl dominates arc's lane just as much as brood and terrorblade, with invoker being a very weak counter (you can midas the forge spirit). In mid and late game, jump on the arc at the start of the fight, AW really wants to counter intiate fights by walking in and machine gunning people with bubble and double when they are far away. If it gets really late (AW has bloodthorne and sheep) you are prob doomed, if you group up you will prevent solo kills, but allow AW to rat, and if you split, arc has one of the highest solokill potentials in the game.
^i mean if u have jump potential on aw then aw can literally always be hiding and use double
with octarine u can have massive clone uptime
Just gank before they hit lvl 6.
Viper does not really counter arc, more like arc counters him.
Earth spirit, sb, pudge are all good roamers to play if playing against arc, visage
Just use euls on the double, render the clone useless by disabling it with short cd disables
^How does AW counter Viper? Viper shits on AW, can dominate him really hard in lane. He has some kill potential at lvl 6, but if Viper plays correctly, he should be 1 lvl over AW & at least 20lh ahead, so when u get lvl 6, viper is probably near lvl 8 + has Treads+Aquilla, gl killing him. How does even AW contest last hitting vs Viper? Viper will massivly slow his Midas timing & in many games that's enough to win.
aw has huge range over viper
he just needs a decent block and he is hard to kill
if u use bubble properly u can completely negate harass
^I wouldn't call 50 range difference "huge range over viper". Magnetic field has 35s cd & 3.5s duration at lvl 1, so it's not like you can constantly trade with him. Problem with Viper is not that he will kill you, but will deny a lot of creeps (has better dmg & animation & u can't harass him well because of his passive). ,
Arc - Brood Mid or Gap closer - Meepo (even safe lane), SB etc.
Visage - safe lane sniper, maybe casky from wd dunno
im prietty sure visage can absolutely rape sniper if visage has a brain
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im confused this shit hero, i cant even win