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天火

    https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3468099256

    I feel that I lost because I was tired and made some questionable choices as a result, want to find out.

    I went deso > bkb > mael > basher > mjollnir > travels without having a tanky frontliner.

    1. Would linken's after mael be better? I admit that two ruptures on me blinking fucked us.
    2. What should be my general approach with these drafts? I think I got sub 13 min deso and then not fought for some time because of no initiation. I kept farming and only took defensive fights.
    3. Blade mail hurts. Straight satanic after mael good?

    Skillfulthread

      1. Would linken's after mael be better? I admit that two ruptures on me blinking fucked us.
      If this was me, im thinking what timing in the game do we win? you think you out carry them? You have quite good pushing team so fighting early was your best chance, get a kill get a tower etc. always take an objective after killing with this lineup.

      2. What should be my general approach with these drafts? I think I got sub 13 min deso and then not fought for some time because of no initiation. I kept farming and only took defensive fights.

      You got a 13 min deso and then just farmed? Why get a deso just to farm? This is why you lost, you needed to push as 5. You are the initation, you can nearly two hit anybody early if you get lucky with Deso. Repture shouldnt be an issue as you should be the one ganking or going in first not vice versa.

      3. Blade mail hurts. Straight satanic after mael good?
      If you are thinking this long in to the game you've lost, you have no counter to PL (Mirana is ok but doesnt win) but then voker against your team is very strong.

      Theres specific timings in game with your lineup you should be pressuring, make them go as 5 and not split up and farm like you let them. They have out drafted you heavily but this game was winable but afk farming and taking defensives fights with only 362LH in 51 minutes isnt good. hope this helps

      chicken spook,,,,

        Linken sucks against BS
        Abyssal is a thing
        Satanic is good
        Learn how to utilize your gold lead instead of only knowing how to gain them

        天火

          Mirana started as a roamer, Pugna was mid I think.

          Okay, visualisation of your scenario. I jump on whoever is there, immediate rupture with stampede into silence and invoker shit follows up on me. What do I do next?

          Edit: autocorrect fixed

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          meteor hammer

            u lost coz u have 500 flat gpm on pa and 200 buulding damage

            deso mom bkb and that should be gg. if you need more id get bash linkens or late bf into linkens or linkens into satanic i guess, although i dont know for sure without playing the game

            i think mj pa is shit and especially when pl can remove the shield with diffusal.. ur hero gets low value from that much attack speed and lightning has no synergy with crit at all

            meteor hammer

              on second thought the guy above me is right in all circumstances satanic > linkens for rupture on pa if you have bkb and mb bash

              deso mom bkb bash satanic. insert a bf somewhere if u must but you shouldnt have to

              天火

                Roger.

                I figured that in this case it is a choice between mjollnir and battlefury for dealing with PL. After the game I thought like it all boiled down to the fact that I should have build in order to not care about rupture and bm...

                Stentorian

                  Looks like they had a jungle BS (cent off, voker mid, aa pl safe).

                  Judging by the BS's items, I'm guessing your potm and ss sat in the safe lane with their fingers up their bum.

                  This is what lost you the game. Not your item choice.

                  天火

                    SS actually did a good job zoning cent and pulling a lot early but then I think he hung around for too long. Nevertheless, one of better lane supports I've seen in the bracket.

                    POTM was doing some random shit somewhere else. I was not paying much attention to other lanes but think haven't missed significant opportunities.