DK's double dragon blood talent is so overrated. You're just getting 12 armor and hp regen from it. You'll already have more than enough armor already since you'll probably be getting AC anyways, and 12 hp regen is nothing, every level 15 hp talent in the game gives more than that.
Stupid question...Do you really think movement speed talents improve your winrate when you have other good mobility options like blink, force staff, eul's?
Dragon knights move speed talent is INSANE, I'm shocked the win rate isn't higher, it's only .8% better than double dragon blood.
Troll move speed is slightly higher than armor. I will take it if vs only 1 or 2 right clickers.
Lich's move speed talent is 1.6% higher win rate, that's a lot.
Wraith king's is .6% higher and I would always take it. a couple hundred more dmg on his nuke isn't that much at 15 when he can crit for 400+.
Gyro's movement speed is talent is 1.7% higher. Gyros' kind of bad though.
TB's is lower, 15 stats is way too much to give up.
"Stupid question...Do you really think movement speed talents improve your winrate when you have other good mobility options like blink, force staff, eul's?"
It depends on the hero but on many yes. The move speed combines with percentage boost from yasha, so on troll it works well and troll doesn't usually get blink.
Lich is poor usually and gets a late force staff.
WK gets blink but is still susceptible to kiting.
DK doesn't always get blink
DK is not a bursty hero, he can deal a lot of damage by staying alive in fights and dishing out damage.
This means that movement speed greatly benefits him, since he has to chase people.
Had once asked if there should be a feature on Dotabuff that allows direct winrate and pickrate comparisons in talents that provide the same type of bonus to different heroes not long ago in a thread. Was completely ignored obviously. Wonder if people see more potential in it now.
^Because +50 damage is amazing on a hero that can get +255 attack speed, and movement speed isn't really needed on a hero that already gets a ton of attack speed from fiery soul stacks, in addition to already getting movement speed boosting items like sb and euls.
Have you played dk to level 25? The move speed is insane. Add s&y for even more insanity. Plus he looks hilarious running super fast, those legs look like he's swimming. You won't really notice the dragon blood bonus. DK has some of the best talents in the game and is a beast at 25 with the right build, his issues are mostly farming and getting there. Go attack speed, dmg, health, move speed, get treads, ac, heart, s&y, halberd, mjollnir/daedulus/bloodthorn. GG shit tons of dmg and no one will kill you.
banes ms talent is honestly so good
it actually becomes hard to kill u as a support cuz with just a glimmer ur rather bulky for a support, and also super fast
nagas is also rlly good, u can catch out people with song better and run people down, who cares abt plus 1 illusions, u already have so many with manta and mirror image.
If you hit 25 on bane aren't you winning the game regardless? In what losses do supports ever hit 25?
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I mean only plain movespeed so that means weaver's lvl 25 talent is excluded.
The only one hero I know that has a better winrate when going movespeed talent is DK