Don't let him farm a bkb refresher?
And yeah cookie challenge. If you can get 2000 cs in 20 minutes you will never be hit by a black hole.
Well, I did expect a mongol with that comment. What you don't seem to realize is that his ult has 2 second cast time, where you'll get a MKB proc with the mkb-mjollnir build in about half a second anyways. Also, it is a waste of fucking time, you could be hitting the enemy team gathered around the black hole for 2 seconds, instead of that you're channeling an ultimate that does basically no relevant damage.
Also, enigma can as well build linkens to counter this, since enigmas always seem to get freefarm, this doesn't seem to be a problem anyways. Countering right click would require enigma to build ethereal blade since bkb removes ghost scepter, but not ethereal blade.
The only way for enigma to be immune to sniper completely is to get BKB + Linkens + Ethereal Blade, which is kind of probably not going to happen because people won't even realize they can do this.
Clockwerk work too but a bit tricky. Winter wyvern ult too. That's two hero I usually use to cancel enigma bkb except the one you already mentioned.
Holy shit, you're right, I thought bash goes through BKB. It seems to be the only bash that doesn't.
Still, the solution is still (if you're sniper) to just fucking kill enigma, aka hit him with right clicks, as well as everyone else, not waste 2 seconds of your time on the off chance that your team is alive after 2 seconds of black hole.
Oh yeah Medusa, Medusa ult cancel his black hole too it's been so long since I used Medusa that I almost forgot.
puck dream coil
normal coil doesnt pierce bkb
agha coil initial stun doesnt pierce bkb
but okay
warlock seems best other than cooldown being too long. or something like shadow fiend works too to just burst him unless its lategame already.
mkb doesnt go thru bkb ayy lmfaoao
just have deso crit or something on the sniper and kill him while hes channeling ult
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Do you heard something about ethereal blade + bkb guys ? while you're against sniper as enigma just get bkb + ethereal blade banish yourself then pop bkb and sniper sucks dick while he's teammates are dying the only guy that can counter enigma at every situation in this game is silencer or something like warlock if your team refuses to pick these heroes to deal with enigma then the only way you have is early-game finish or split push.
Because ghost scepter gets dispelled by bkb but ethereal blade not lol
mkb doesnt go thru bkb
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan how dumb of me.
Oh Dear...Wait, so are you telling me eblade bkb enigma is not counterable draft-wise since enemy will ban silencer or warlock...Split pushing it is then, say hello to lycan troll nature etc
you CAN blink-abyssal him from behind. I saw that being done in 1 game in the TI or major before it, by a bristleback. In theory would mean that Beastmaster with Abyssal Blade is the ultimate counter to bkb linkens eblade enigma, then. but that probably only works once, since enigma can blackhole directly under him if needed.
well, rubick was protecting towers against his annoying eidelons when teamfights happen. Even if he was present in the teamfights, he failed to steal blackhole because enigma would not ult until the last minute to get a 3 or 4 man blackhole. Isnt that what enigmas do? Just wait for the enemies to get out of position and stack up together. Guess what happens next?
Smart enigma players blink in the middle then black hole at their location. Good luck abyssaling that.
Wait what? How do you abyssal a blackhole? I thought abyssal has the same range as melee heroes. Wouldn't you get sucked into the blackhole if you attempt to do such a thing
BH radius = 420
BH cast range = 275
Abyssal cast range = 140
420-275-140=5
I think Enigma's collision size also plays a role here and that would make it possible if he's casting it from max range and you approach him from the right direction. Rare case, though.
or he could castground it, where r=1/2d, with d=420, r = 210, and abysal castrange is 140, so he lack 210-140=70 range to do it, get aether lens would help maybe xDD
that 1 time when i was a melee hero and approached enigma from behind him with a max range casted BH(not rly sure it was max range tho) i still got caught inside it
You have to look for teamfights and push while blackhole is on Cooldown. most players doesn't notice this, and do nothing during that big cooldown. Anyways, you have a lot of ways to stop him Necrophos, doom, warlock, void, clockwerku ultimates, mana void mini stun pierces through bkb, mkb.
Yeah I guess collision size doesn't have anything to do with this, so it's impossible if the Enigma doesn't have Aether Lens.
Basically pick a hero that's stuns through BKB and buy all sorts of positioning items. I like Pheonix. But it takes a lot of enemy prediction because you have to egg shortly before he wants to go in.
You have to look for teamfights and push while blackhole is on Cooldown. most players doesn't notice this, and do nothing during that big cooldown.
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Loads of ways to counter enigma
And in case you don't have any 'direct' counters, the best way is still to have proper positioning
its really hard to exploit the 100 second window for enigma black hole if your team dies from it though xD.
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Is there any way to counter enigma with BKB & refresher aside from venge, silencer, pudge (in case they get banned or picked by enemy team)? A team with a line-up of lifestealer, rubick, ogre, phantom lancer & necrophos seemed good against enigma but he BKBs and blackholes in every teamfight. After that, he just refreshes ready for the next teamfight and we lost the game because of numerous failed teamfights. Aside from his ult, his eidelons push everylane so just impossible to play against...why they don't nerf his ult at least?