Like the only time ever where jug is not a top carry and more situational
And I think he is still great, just not the BEST
what about troll? He seems like a good pick to me
Never tried troll much becuase that hero disgusted me in the sniper troll patch . Ill need a few unranked matches to try him .
As long as the 1.4 BAT and free BKB are still there, Jug will never be weak.
The problem is his build. People really need to reconsider Manta and Diffusal.
^No. Jugg is weak rn, just because healing ward is good in some game doesn't mean he's a good hero.
Manta diffu is basically the least dogshit build you can go with him.
jugger still good as a mid/ safelaner. tho you will still need to partner him with another carry to be sure.
he just suffers nowadays because sven,tb, in carry matchups
and necro, void in offlane
They should let Juggernaut deal physical damage while using Blade Fury and rework the damage dealt across various levels.
Tried out the troll suggestion and I just don't like his play style . Tried out tb and seemed to semi like it although I want to try ck next , I haven't played him in ages . Currently my 3 main carry heros I am rotating are spec am and jugg but trying to phase out jugg and get a different 3rd hero . What hero would be good to do with those two , I guess I could always throw in a wraith king just cuz that hero is very simple to play .
It's not jugg who's weak but it's his build. I think manta diffusal takes so long to come online. Personally, he should go as a phase-madness-sny hero. He has high armor and he needs to fight early.
Jugg is very reliant on his q and ultimate , I don't think he can be a madness hero unless using it for just farming or chasing down people
Mask of Madness is not too bad on Jugg. I played against a clinkz and he silenced me and tried killing me. I activated MOM and killed him just from the attack speed and a little of the lifesteal. Also, when you use your ult and active MOM you do so much more damage.
Diffusal is still good but Manta. I feel like people buy it because pros buy it. To take advantage of low BAT, you need high attack speed. And to get online early, you need cheap attack speed. This points to madness.
The issue with jug is he's actually squishy and has no flash farm. He has a very good passive increase to dmg with crit but needs dmg items to make the most of it. So you must build stats cus he is squishy but this means he farms too slow cus he has no flash farm and then he doesn't do enough dps. If you go farm, ie mjollnir or battlefury, then he lacks stats, dies in every fight where ward isn't op. If you go for single target dmg like deso, butter, orchid, he dies and can't farm. So you end up with a middling build like manta + diffusal + bkb where you can tank some dmg and do decent dps.
Compare to sven, he flash farms like a mofo and has incredible built in armor and hp.
Troll has more armor, armor talent, more hp, makes enemies miss, farms better natively with aoe axes plus fervor.
PA can't flash farm either but has more armor and dodge.
WK, way tankier.
So you can see why he's a clear 2nd tier carry vs 1st tier right now. However he's still good, it's just kind of like carrying with void or slark, hero can be really good situationally, just don't expect to go faceroll every game.
I think another reason jug is hard to play is cus his build is so flexible, you can't just do the exact same every game. Troll I can pretty much build the same things every game, maybe just swap one or two items. Same with sven. And it'll be like 90% optimal. Slark too is like this. Jug's not. Makes it harder and more variance in performance.
Jugg is my 4 most played hero. Lately he feels weak after the laNing pñstage but still can manage to win lane easily and start applying pressure. I've been having good performances with him but not so good WR.
Personally I prefer maelstrom MoM over manta diffusal, either that or I meme it and go the battle fury shadow blade aghs build
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I feel Juggernaut is one of my best heros but he feels weak right now compared to the past so I recently started avoided picking him . Should I pick anyways since one of my better heros or find some other new hero to fit jugger spot .