dark seer
underlord
tide
aba (although aba can't fall back and do stacked jungle like underlord or tide if the lane is 3v1)
if they pick necro, just get pipe and lotus.
Yep pick safely your ass, you pick tide or timber they just pick wd and shit on you in lane.
from my solid experience in playing offlane the only hero u can safely fp is magnus:
1) he doesnt really have a direct hard counter
2) allows your team to follow up your pick in a lot of ways but still get somebody benefitting from cleave
3) the number of games, where I made a comeback with 1 good RP is countless
Considering the nowadays meta I d also say that safe fp is underlord because the hero is just too broken and ppl dont know how to play vs him
CK
Axe
Magnus
Dark Seer
Underlord
Don't feel the same for Tidehunter, LC or Timbersaw.
Weaver is one that's probably the strongest imo and is also unexpected.
Axe, LC, Abaddon, Doom, Batrider too? Not sure about the last one, but I'd feel safe picking an offlaner that has no problem jungling, in case they pick heroes that make laning impossible without feeding. Maybe Centaur as well for the same reason.
Fp material is almost any offlaner that's good and can fall back on the jungle.
Tide can jungle but is ass
Clock is meta but can't jungle
Thus we r left with heroes like axe, centaur (maybe not cent but I feel super comfortable with the hero), legion, darkseer, etc
there are basically no hero that can safility picked since all can be countered, but there are several heroes, that are not considered very serious, so no one counters if they pick them. You can go centaur, slardar, tidehunter, no one will counter iti anyway :)
if its really about the firstpick and you really want 100% the offlane i'd also say its underlord. But if its only about the firstpick i'd say there are a lot of viable offlaners who can go to a different position if needed. Clock, Sb, sk, mk for example.
^he might be not wrong at all
Bara most likely to charge mid, so he isnt fully offlaner. While slardar tend to die alot because increased damage.
For me, i can solo kill as tide if enemy are unaware (on high skill bracket)
I always win with solo offlane axe against 3 range (luna, silencer,ww) with retarted afk jungle teammate
Few tips against 3 safelanes
U buy ward to stop their camps pulling, u place the ward in good spot so the neutral creep didnt spawning and u can know their movement(use quelling or tango to chop the tree), play safe dont die(play hide and seek), make ur enemy support is bored so they leave the lane afterward
Plus, dont forget to report ur afk jungler teammate
I tried thinking about it... And...
Bara, Centaur, Elder Titan, Void, Lich, Magnus and Underlord would be relatively safe to firstpick, IMO.
Bara is too omnipresent and can fill a gap in any draft, doesn't need much, doesn't have a real hero counter in the traditional sense.
Centaur doesn't give much shit about anti-tanks, because you have Stampede to run away/start a fight too fast for these heroes to react.
ET = read about Bara, except that ET is way more situational and has a different role.
Void = you can base your entire draft around Void and that usually is the case, I am too sleepy to think of why this might be a bad idea, I may be missing something very simple.
Magnus = Rubick stealing your RP is an avoidable pseudocounter, IMO.
Underlord is just broken in pubs, because the aura is really strong, along with all of his spells, Silver may counter him, but no one buys it against Underlord for some reason, idk.
Everyone else are (except some rare cases):
Abaddon = get rekt really easily if you put a solo ranged against him like Windranger or Clinkz and can't be drafted safely, IMO.
Axe firstpick = possibly Naix or Timbersaw in the enemy draft.
Batrider firstpick = they will pick LC or Aba/Oracle to dispell.
Beastmaster = see Batrider.
Bristle = any elusive hero with high damage output, high-mobility cores, natural Silver Edge builders.
Brood = mass hard-counters and AOE in lane.
Clock is dogshit against any full ranged lane, high mobility cores.
Dark Seer = full ranged enemy safelane.
Doom is a low armor melee shit in lane.
Earthshaker = see Clock.
Ench = any way of quickly shortening the distance and you're fucked, if the enemy has a brain (PA, Slardar, SB, etc.)
Enigma = Silencer or any other way of interrupting the Black Hole.
LC = any duel counter (Pugna, WW, Omni, Oracle, etc. etc.).
Lone Druid = see Ench, any heroes, which can -armor hard.
MK = Balanar or Beastmaster, Timbersaw, anything, that can see over trees or cut them en masse, anything, with a hard lockdown.
Furion = SB, Clock, a ton of ganking and outpushing heroes.
Necrophos = high magical bursts in lane, Scythe counters like Oracle, Bane, Omni, Dazzle, etc., natural duffusal builders as cores.
Night Stalker = any hard saving heroes like Omni, etc.
Nyx = Naix, nuker supports, non-intelligence lineup.
Phoenix = Troll, Beastmaster, Ursa, any hard lockdown, silence, attack speed bursts, dispells.
SK = see Dark Seer.
Slardar firstpick = see Batrider.
Tidehunter = any high-tempo cores, anti-tanks, ranged safelane, natural Silver Edge builders.
Timbersaw = pure damage, nuker supports, non-strength lineup, elusive cores, -armor heroes, natural Silver Edge builders.
Weaver = any hard lockdowns, silences, mobility counters, etc.
Windranger = see Weaver + diffusal blade builders.
I may be retarded and miss and/or misunderstand some points, but this is what I have in my head.
Prepared myself for a shitstorm.
ATTENTION!
EVERYTHING ABOVE APPLIES TO GAMES, WHERE PEOPLE SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THE DRAFT, YOU MAY EASILY GET AWAY WITH FP'ING A FUCKING BROOD IN AN AVERAGE PUB ONCE IN A WHILE, THAT'S NOT MY POINT AT ALL.
I MAY BE WRONG, BUT THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS, I WOULD, IN FACT, LIKE TO SEE THEM GET SHAT UPON BY A MORE EXPERIENCED PLAYER, SO I MAY LEARN SOMETHING.
NO PU$$Y.
This is tbh kinda wrong, because a lot of the counters u mentioned, like legion, slardar, axe can be played around/don't matter tooooo much, while some of the picks like clock and ns r flexible heroes who can also roam so they r good first picks.
Void is also almost always a bad first pick
You can't play around WW with Blink using E on everyone you duel as LC, assuimg WW is good enough as a player. You will miss most of your duel damage.
Slardar, Axe = same.
Either, assuming equal skill, you can't play around these counters or these counters pose a play-around so tricky, that it questions your pick in the first place. Not worth it, in other words.
And good luck roaming as Clock to kill mid QoP or an offlane Phoenix. There's no way a Clock does anything to QoP or Phoenix, assuming they ain't brain damaged.
About Void... I don't know. I can't really think of why Void offlane would be a bad first pick right now. In CM it would warrant a ban of popular heroes, which have high synergy w/chrono, but otherwise, idk.
That's the way I see it, at least.
Wyvern isn't that good, there r plenty of heroes that r popular rn that counter her/take advantage of cold embrace.
Axe vs timber and ls isn't THAT bad cuz he has a bkb piercing disable and pure dmg, axe is mostly countered by ranged heroes who kite but even then he can initiate on them.
And void sucks if they pick something like legion or silencer to disable him or a save like dazzle who can nullify Chrono.
I don't think axe is a good first pick, neither legion, but at least they can resort to jungle.
BTW clock can easily roam on pheonix, the hero is slow, u can cancel dive with cogs push, and pheonix is squishy. The roaming/offlane flex pick heroes will almost always find a lane they either can gank or a safelane they can stay in.
if you are playing underlord vs an ursa, just buy brown boots or windlace and spam your Q on every wave and force Ursa to last hit under tower. Once you hit lvl 5, you can easily farm jungle/waves with 3 points in Firestorm.
Pretty much any hero that is able to flash farm the jungle if you can't contest lane at that moment.
OR: A strong ganker who can leave the lane to 'gank' another lane which results in a win in that lane.
axe because literally all you do to zone out the safelaners is walk towards them past the creep wave and they run
also you can call on them in the middle of their wave and hit them with like seven helixes, ez kill
Here's one not mentioned so far.
Boots first Lich. Max dark ritual. Keeps lane close to your tower, and the boots help with running when a Cm Pudge comes for you. I've pulled it off, but haven't seen anyone else try it.
And Lich is a very safe first pick too, and a pretty retard-proof hero.
Lich offlane is ok in the lane but the hero doesn't scale well.
I'll try it actually maybe u go slightly rightclick lategame with that dmg talent and shit?
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