General DiscussionSpectre ultra late game

Drop rad if you dont need pushing and make divines for team

SK and enigma ue blink to jump on you. Your radiance wont save you..

See this game which went an hour longer than it should have:
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3158860966

You build radiance to jump a ti ker or invoker with blink and even then, they have a half second or so before the burn procs the blink dagger cooldown

why are you linking a brood mother game with no spectre in it? How is that relevant?

Spectre has haunt. You open every team fight with haunt and blinkers can't get in position. My game enemy team got blink on sk and enigma. They also had a dk and ta who often go blink but they didn't. It's 3k so idk if they were thinking of radiance when they skipped blink, but haunt radiance makes it a pretty worthless item so good for them they didn't build it. As it was enigma could never get off good ults without getting interrupted cus we also has silencer and disruptor and he had to walk up to ult us everytime so it was so obvious.

in super late scenarios i would keep BoTs on backpack abd refresher in base or cor for the sake of cd, from then on it's not discussable really...
i would choose abyssal over skadi if team lacks enough lockdown or there's something like a storm against you, if lockdowns are enough i wouldnt even make vangaurd early. eye is the choice then.
keep manta almost defintely.
again diffusal depends on team's skills and slows and disables and if anything is worth purging on enemy.
about radi i would sell it if i have nothing else to sell or we're against megas and mjolnir works better for me. it's like the first item to sell after u have BoTs on backpack probably and i like a bloodthorne lategame to ulti into bloodthorne heroes that cant deal with silence in fights. if mkb needs to be purchased on her it would be bought earlier than this point of the game dont u agree? cant not have bkb against pa/butterfly cores till u have 7 items can u?

so something like a :
mjollnir/ac
manta
hot
eye/abyssal
diffusal2/bkb/bloodthorne/mkb/etc?
butterfly
+bots on backpack
+refresher in base/cor

Moon shard(consumed), butterfly, manta, hot, skadi, abyssal, bloodthorne. Boots, bkb, refresher on backpack

Travels, Manta style, Radiance, Diffusal blade level 2, Butterfly, Heart. (Consumed Moonshard) If travels are in your backpack, probably Abyssal blade.

I don't know. o_o Those are usually the go to items for me, probably wrong though. It's just insane how much damage a radiance + diffusal haunt does (and desolate) like radiance haunts are one thing, but diffusal being added into the equation is insane how much damage it does, almost as if it autowins fights.

Radi BoT refresher on backpack, radi only for haunt/occasional wave pushing steroid
Manta
Abyssal
Butter
Heart
Skadi
Mjolnir/BT

Why link a brood game? Because the comment was made that radiance somehow counters enigma. Our slark bought it and was entirely useless for the mid game

1 radiance on slark is fucking terrible
2 no one would know that without clicking on build details and looking for it
3 you never said slark built it. I actually thought you were saying you built it on brood cus that's more normal
4 spectre has haunt so can disable blinks easily

Does everyone put boots in their backpack now? Seems like you'd be too slow to hit anything on a melee hero.

Just use butterfly's flutter if you need the move speed to get around, then in an actual fight decide if you need move speed or evasion, solves that problem.

With abyssal+diffusal+butterfly+moonshard you could simply chain stun your enemy. Be aware of the fact that illusions gain desolate, burn, mana burn, agility and attack speed but not bonus damage and bash. So building stats items is more reasonable than building DPS items.

Deadelus actually increases your dps a lot because it affects your illusions. I always get it super late game

Butterfly>bot on lategame, bot just for tele

when i think spec late game, i always think refresher.

I did the maths;

For combat items - Skadi, Butterfly, Manta, Abyssal, AC and Daedalus/Bloodthorn
For waveclear - Radiance or Mjollnir, obviously in backpack
Other backpack items - BoTs, Refresher. Heart is good only for the regen, in terms of EHP it's less effective than Skadi.

With that setup, you're looking at 2.5k dps to a 0 armour target, with 27k EHP against physical damage.
3875 HP, hitting for 185+100 with an attack speed of 0.40. 42.8 armour, for a total of 72% physical resistance. Unlike a lot of melee carries, you can fight without boots because Haunt allows instant jumps, and Dagger, Abyssal and Skadi make it incredibly difficult to kite you... even then, you're constantly dispersing damage.

I would only get refresher as 5th item if they have xxxratmeisterxxx heroes or annoying HG shitfucks and I need more haunt uptime to lock him down (sniper)
Only happened once