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dioxgamingpro

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    Yeah I'm smurfing but my team is so noob I can't even win I can't even exercise anymore I sit here and wait for opportunity for NOTHING.

    anyways Fortune Ends and Fate's Edict no longer passes through spell immune heroes now its impossible to initiate and stop a gank like lifestealer and bkb users and Purfying flames isn't enough to heal and harm unlike omnknight plus its dispelable. while false promise is a good.. space provider only? wtf like WK's aghanim scepter is better than that.

    dioxgamingpro

      btw I'm running for winrate not mmr like I already reached 7k and its tidious or boring because its always *oh no their pushing all inside and start to fight* and *omg how to push this?* and like supports suppose to support not carry and carry should core not support like if an initiator isn't starting war report and a nuker is a ks your team starts to flame.

      LosT

        Dont play it if its that bad for you ?

        Marauder9

          All I thought while reading this was runon sentences

          adimoowin

            LMAO "I already reached" 7k > looses every game outside of high/normal skill bracket on smurf. Yep seems legit.

            kormoranas

              well oracle is shit, very very situational, to remove buffs/debuffs.
              Before he was very strong early, similar to skywrath, but after nerfs... he is ok early at most, and pretty much useless late.

              Giff me Wingman

                DIOX WORST PLAYER EVERY?

                Yeah.

                hoi_gr

                  Well he does have 41% WR, what did you expect :)

                  His main problem is that he does SO much that it is often difficult to know the right way to use his spells:
                  When chasing do you channel Fortune's End fully or just pop it right away? When chased do you purge debuffs or root enemies?
                  Do you Fate's edict the enemy carry so he doesn't attack but also make him magic immune? When your core is getting nuked do you make him magic immune but take away his ability to attack? Do you keep it off CD so you can use it to combo with Purifying?
                  Do you nuke with Purifying if you aren't sure you can get the kill possibly saving the enemy in the next 3-5 seconds?
                  Do you False promise to remove some heavy CC or keep it to keep someone alive. Is the person that you False Promised smart enough to know when to keep fighting or when to run? After you False promise do you spam Purifying flames? Do you Fate's as well?

                  These are all difficult questions to answer at the heat of battle and you can even see pros misplaying with Oracle all the time (when he was played). TBH most of us are better off with some reliable, simple mechanic that can't backfire. You know your hero's limits and not trying to go for "the plays" will actually win you more games.

                  HOWEVER even if you are the worst Oracle on the planet it's super easy to use him to counter DS, LC, Bounty, Techies, Necro etc.

                  Beks

                    hiiiii dioxxxxx

                    Murranji

                      This hero was good when he was first introduced. His ultimate was particularly useful. 9 second duration on a 20 second cooldown, plus it granted invis. Was the only support who could actually save himself from being picked off by a snowballing carry. Could use it to set up a ward without enemy seeing you. Meant that his healing combo would heal twice as much. Etc.

                      Now it's what basically little more than a press the attack+shallow grave with 4 times the cooldown. Add no CC and a spell which gimps your carry if you cast it on your carry to make him magic immune and makes your enemy carry magic immune if you want to disarm him and you have the absolute worst hero in Dota. I haven't won a single game with an oracle on my team after the 6.83 patch.

                      Jacked

                        No one should bother trying to respond seriously to diox. Lol. U are wasting your time.

                        Pale Mannie

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                          dioxgamingpro

                            Danishblunt worst necrophos player ever with

                            7.98
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                            8.31
                            Deaths

                            Necrophos
                            3 months ago
                            52
                            46.15%
                            2.46
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                            damn necrophos is like the most overpowered support nuker.

                            dioxgamingpro

                              Murranji
                              44 minutes ago

                              they nerfed him a bunch and they won't turn him into a permanent carry support for no reason. and he's so fragile and easy to kill plus his ult is a punching bag if your hero isn't healed much

                              Murranji

                                I remember arguing that he was dogshit on reddit (of course) before he was released into Captains mode. People would just say "oh he is only game losing because people don't know how to play him" as if he had been out for a week rather than a year and "when the pros play her on a team that knows what they are doing you will see how strong he is".

                                Then he got released into captains mode and promptly did as bad competitively as he did in pubs. Roughly a 40% winrate across TI5/6 all the other tournaments etc. Same as his pub winrate.

                                And look at his talents - useless junk which other heroes get strictly better versions of. About the only thing useful or which half a dozen heroes don't have a better versions of is the increase to false promise duration and even then that's like nothing compared to +2 second chains.

                                arin

                                  his spells never pierced immunity afair (or at least after rework which included dispel on only first tick of ult and edict not giving extra damage from anything but magic, before this he was ultra broken and dd-sama got to 7k using old oracle afair)

                                  Then he got released into captains mode and promptly did as bad competitively as he did in pubs. Roughly a 40% winrate across TI5/6 all the other tournaments etc. Same as his pub winrate.

                                  you are a huge retard

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                                  arin

                                    nevermind it's another diox thread
                                    but at least i got to call bullshit on another person's post too so it's an ok trade for my time i guess

                                    arin

                                      https://www.dotabuff.com/players/90373262
                                      where is this 40% pub winrate you're talking about?
                                      as if global stats ever meant ANYTHING in this game

                                      arc had like 42% pub winrate while being the one and only 1v9 hero by then

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                                      GLARE

                                        What can I do to stop seeing these threads every day?

                                        Feed

                                          Go to reddit and write your complaint post there.

                                          Murranji

                                            Lol I just got called a retard by a guy who doesn't think oracle has a 40% pub winrate.

                                            I suggest you take the ten seconds to click the hero winrate option at the top of your browser and examine Oracle's winrate.

                                            Then come back and admit you were wrong like a good boy.

                                            one syllable anglo-saxon

                                              but at least i got to call bullshit on another person's post too so it's an ok trade for my time i guess

                                              not quite

                                              i dont think any1 takes muranji seriously for a long time alrdy

                                              Jacked

                                                Oracle is so polarizing. You either think he's broken or Weak af