How does your support deal with the thinker then? feel like it would be harder for them to sap exp from the lane / get gold against a tinker. Not saying its wrong to do so I'm just trying to get an understanding of how its better
well tbh if tinker went with hex build you would have lost , and you carried your team well ofc , i guess i would triple raze the mid every minute before going jungle
just sneak up to him sometimes he kills any nukers using a trick where they go somewhere dark and pop out his ult. and he uses silver edge and hit them as fast as they can if they try to escape or nuke you just use shadow raze.
razes eat a lot of mana, and just taking one rocket-lazer as you come to lane hurts your hp quite a lot, etc... and you cant that easily kill him at 3 because he harasses much better at 1 and 2, leaving you in a weaker place when you both hit your lvl 3s... so if you are at like 60% you cant even try to kill him cause laser blinds you and therefore its not enough damage and tinkers attacks likely still hit harder or at least similar if he used his starting advantage well.
i was wondering myself why he didnt go for a hex, but he got a crazy amount of kills on terrorblade (deny sunder) and dk using the eblade dagon combination, something he would not have gotten with hex, so its not certain.
im a sf player at lvl 3 sf can kill anyone trust me . do you ever try to block creep so that you will have highground advantage and aggro to take last hit???
if both sf and tinker are at 100%, sure sf can kill him. if sf is a bit lower then he can't... i did triple raze tinker at lvl 3 and it only hit him for 80%hp.
i ended up dieing while doing that because he picked up his lvl 4 as he was running away and rocketed me on my way back to behind my tower.
of course i do need to master block and creep aggro, but these don't really count as sf vs tinker things. i know its my personal flaw but its not really game tactics rather than simple mechanical skill.
Lol bring his hp down first. Ofc you cant triple raze at lvl 3 and expect an auto kill. Atleast 75% of his health. Harass him when he tries to get his last hit too
lol he just blinds me. harass me pls with your 100% miss chance.
also dont forget that tinker starts with more armor and more damage, and the tinker i was facing had faerie fire and branch + pooled tangos whereas i didnt so it was harder because of that too, probably.
dont get me wrong, i have beaten tinkers at level 3 power spike if i manage to harass him a bit or if he doesnt go rocket build i can reach lvl 5 in lane and then blow him up.
i doubt the tink will let you have 100% hp,if i'm the tinker i will make sure that the sf has a miserable lane
gank him with suports once u get 20 souls deny every shit when u can and he gona leave lane
if u force him maxing nukes its even better if he fail killing heroes he gona have 23 min blink
I usually jungle with SF when I am being fucked in lane. I use razes on lane creeps then go directly to jungle. You'll still be able to farm treads, aquila, bottle and SB in 11 minutes. And yes buy extra clarities to upon jungling. At least thats what I do.
If the tinker doesnt have autism he will prevent almost all of ur initial first wave cs with laser and his high base dmg and guarentee a fast bottle, so he can continue to do so. If he goes laser rocket i wud just shove the lane at him hard with razes, if march then i wud try to kill him or zone him out with his lack of burst dmg.
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how do you deal with tinker using shadow fiend?
i would build raindrop and abandon the lane (if its laser rocket build and not march) and go jungle as a support takes mid, dont fight him until have bkb or at least my team can help me catch him off-guard, mkb very high value item as well; is that a reasonably good way to deal with him?