might be because roamer who can destroy zeus and carry with built it spell immunity are popular now
anyway i don't want to ever face this cancer again
I only play few times of spec and zeus when I doing all hero challenge or lpq.
and I like enemies picking zeus,spec is also a ok-ish because I can deal with him.
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exactly. thanks for the understanding. she's been my hero since Dota 1 so fock off
@bws,
The WR was proving a pain and our SF couldn't position himself in a range where he'd be able to nuke her down, so I had to go through that windrun.
you can purge windrun man
and in a one hour game you can just buy another diffusal if you finished the diffusal II's charges
Last time Zeus was this strong I won 14 times in a row on him before I got a loss (which was when I was against a 5.4k player on PA mid who had a BH camping me and neither of our two players who ransomed supported support heroes bought sentries or ganked mid for me or counter tped to help when I was being dived under the tower).
Both this heros are Hard trash.
In 5k+ they sit on rank 26 and 27 winrate. So thats where you can clearly See theyre noob heros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjcRXGDY-Xg how is that use of specter not a cancer in pub games? (sorry, the link is in russian, but you can understand what is going anyway)
i hate pudge more than those high winrate heroes , in proper bracket , not rare to see those high winrate heroes get stomped by proper counter pick
Both of them are too squishy in early game and are 2ez 2harras them. Spectre's dispersion aint even a big deal against ranged heroes...
I was about to chime in about how I haven't seen them picked in forever, last time I saw a spectre it was a random. But then I realized that's exactly what you are pointing out.
Well anyway, I wouldn't mind playing some spectres. Less annoying than jug every game.
Hey guys apparently people don't know how to play Spectre or Zeus in lower brackets. Or so I've read.
But they still are somehow the highest and fifth highest winrate heroes.
Press R and team fight immediately turns into the opposing team losing half their HP tends to not require that much skill.
So yeah, one day of 7.05 and Zeus gained about 1.5% and is now sitting at 57% winrate.
This week spectre at number 1 and Zeus at number 4. This is the easiest MMR you will ever earn.
To remind you of how the cancer works - spectre and Zeus players press their r button in a team fight. 6 seconds later half of your teams entire health is gone, never mind the other 3 enemies. Any time you encounter an enemy you can expect a haunt and thunder gods wrath to be able to back them up. Massive damage output combined with global presence and an unstoppable late game.
Coming soon to a pub near you.
They have high winrates but they are certainly not spammable.
Zeus is not spammable because 1/5 of the hero pool and 1 item counters him so hard(BKB). He's basically next to no damage during late game situations esp. when there are pipe carriers. During late games, he's basically stuns channeling spells, checks smoke ganks and rosh, dewards and the blink canceller. He's useful but certainly, an easy pick off for any carry.
Spectre, on the other hand, is one of the slowest farmers for a hard carry. She thrives in snowballing and getting her items asap. She's weak against 5 man early game pushes. You need to pray that the game reaches late to be relevant(Ofc, you need to have your items which is quite difficult if you're afk farming) She's most potent late game but is easily outclassed by other late games(AM, Invoker, etc.)
Both have to be meta before u see this combo appear more. Same as with other combos that are strong. Like huskar dazzle, wisp tony
Positive player, kind of funny for you to say that Zeus lacks damage in the late game when he is consistently the hero with the highest hero damage in every game he is in.
This is of course because the skill static field does 10 percent of a heroes current HP in damage every time he casts a spell within 1200 range (which is approx once a second).
I can refer you to my last Zeus game to see what happens when enemy heroes purchase blink daggers and BKBs and Pipes and Glimmer Capes when they are up against a Zeus/Spectre. Even with a weird ass support drow/techies combo and against heroes who excel at jumping on top of and blowing up Zeus we still were ahead on kills and I went 9-4-17 against a team who should theoretically be able to pick me off at will (according to your theory). When the team fights broke out I just sat in the back and waited out the BKBs to wear off and then pressed r while the spectre also pressed r. And this was months ago before the most recent buffs.
As for those saying they "need to be meta" that's the whole point of this thread. They will be meta just like the 6.86 patch just as soon as people start realising how ridiculously broken they are again.
Why not to add Silencer (~53) Troll (~53) Centaur (~55) and you have indestructible global ult of meta. Oh wait...
Lifestealer and Jug are still go to carries, Pipe is core on all Offlaners, zeus is extremely weak in lane, 1 gank and he is dead, he has no other way to farm back than killstealing, and farming stacks is shit cause of the magic resistances, plus stacking something other than ancients is retarded.
They are simple pubstompers because people on pubs dont buy the right itens, they have a predetermined build.
im a dogshit mid player and i can win with zeus mid. that should tell you something
LOL extremely weak in lane? TF? you hadn't tried 1st-3rd build when playing in offlane/safe lanes right? you don't have to get too close to the enemies and can cs pretty easily and deny enemy of farm bc of them afraid of going near. if you think this one has a mana problem at start? start with 6-8 clarity if you want, it won't dispel bc you are pretty far and buying those claritys would be worth it in the end
Zeus is right up there with Shadow Fiend on how easy it is to gank him mid. His replacement right now is Tinker. Good luck trying to get that shitstain out of the meta.
Omni sat at the highest winrate for the longest time, but low pick rates. He only become meta a few patches ago. And before that people wondered why no one picked that hero despite high winrate. Oh because it is too boring to play omni. Then as soon as he became meta, he was in every game.
You have to understand in what context you win games
I mean it is not just whether a combo is strong. It's also how viable they are against most meta counter picks. They have to be able to fit well into the remaining meta hero pool and they have to be viable in most games.
Winning 70% of the time in 5% of games is hardly meta.
And then you have meta heroes that are picked so often but they don't win 50% of games.
Really makes you think huh.
Spectre used to have the same winrate which she currently did during the 6.84 and 6.85 patches and was still only picked around the same amount as what she is now (in fact it was around 8%) back then.
Then people on reddit saw how Badman spammed spectre to 8k in 6.86 when 8k was still the highest MMR anyone has reached. Suddenly everyone started picking Spectre in pubs and so she was nerfed in 6.87.
Meanwhile Bloodseeker who didn't even get as high a winrate in 6.84 as what Spectre had in that patch got nerfed to uselessness and is still dogshit. Meanwhile Spectre is back to being as strong now as she was before.
Literally the only thing stopping Spectre from becoming 'meta' is that people haven't realised that she is as strong as she was a year ago. Once they realise that (eg someone spamming spectre to 10k or something) she'll be picked in 25-30% of games again.
I mean what are the "meta counter picks"? Invoker, LC, Pudge, PA, etc are just the same eternally popular things and those are being picked atm because (for now) there is no clear cancer of the month pick (until spectre becomes it).
^ yea that could well be the case that ppl haven't realized it yet. Sure. Only time will tell though.
spectre and zeus is top combo now and in the past,but specter need baby sitting i mean good suports.If u only have good suport go for it if not forget about spectre.
Yeah only the 58% of the games that they win on average are any good for them.
Which is higher than almost every other hero...
A niche pick could have 90% winrate in games where he is viable. And then maybe he is picked 1% of games.
Cookie check the hero stats. Spectre has 57% across all skill brackets including 5k+. Zeus has 56% across all brackets until 5k+ where he is still at 51%.
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Spectre is sitting at 57% pub winrate. Zeus at 55%. They're the top 1 and 5 winrate hero.
This same combo was the cancer which destroyed my enjoyment of the game this time last year and basically led to me quitting.
They're now at the same winrate stats now as what they were in March 2016, so why aren't they being spammed for easy MMR and making anyone who doesn't want to play a Zeus/Spectre game's life hell?