General DiscussionDoes ember beat ta mid?

ta wants to rice mid and ember has high kill potential at 6 or something

he has terrible damage and armor though, and you shouldnt be getting solo killed pre6 because yo ucan tp to ur shrine after chains if ur gonna die

not a mid player XD

i believe ta > ember in pure 1v1, i've been trying this with allison few days ago and if you play aggressively as TA from level 1 and try to hit psi blades as much as possible you can almost send him to base on lvl 1 if he's bad enough (check my last ember game where i got absolutely dumpstered if you want to see some really humiliating example), and if that doesnt cut it then just put like two points to meld and run at him

good creep block on first wave is really important though i think.

ember shoudnt be able to lane ta ever, unless ta doesnt know how to play his hero, then its a different story

ember beats TA

both can win the matchup i believe

ta vs ember matchup is fun because neither hero can depend on some defensive mechanisms - flameguard doesn't do anything against ta's high physical damage, but likewise refraction doesn't do anything against ember since he can melt it easily

in a 1v1 where both players are equally skilled, TA doesn't exactly have much outplay potential, while ember does

ember is male, so he fucks ta

zzzzzz

shitrak reporting in

I keep dying as ta this patch, earlier i used to have like a max of 4 deaths now i just die in mid by rotations or get caught out of position in a taemfight.

ember shits on ta mid

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I think he does.

Ember's counter TA in all ways
Meld he burns
Refraction he burns
lvl 6 slow? Just remnant away
Just get a PMS the laning stage shouldn't be tough

We need a nerf now

I would give the ember a slight edge here because he out lanes ta pretty bad due to 3rd skill. On the other side, you can dodge searing chains with meld pretty easily and turns around killing ember. Both of these hero means if 1 support rotates the enemy mid hero will die. Its a game of burst damage and ember will still win in this situation

how do you win as ember

ember rapes midd. ta dont have enough dmg to kill ember early with stoun shield and aquila gg aquila is 300 EHP so gg

The only way to win as ta vs good ember is building quick stats and following 2 strategies.

1. Going refraction and using it to push the wave off you so that do not get chained.

2. Going meld and using it dodge chains and then hit with meld to kill him. If you dodge chains and hit him with a lvl 3 meld you can kill him.

The better stratedgy is to constantly push the wave off you and cs jungle camps between waves to get an early deso. You will make more game inpact this way rather than just killing ember 1 time.

Tho against an ember mid you should be going something that beats him more heavily mid like sf or mk

pure 1v1 is 50-50
1 sup mis = ta cant farm if creeps not on her hill

Doesn't matter if ember can't farm he just builds veil and bursts your highest lvl hero and gets comeback gold, really dumb hero Lul

Isnt ember stronger like first 3 lvls and at lvl 6?

ta wins the 1v1 if the players competent but its never a 1v1 and runes and stuff can change the matchup entirely.

i mean, realistically given 2 competent players

both can farm that lane without dying

Good ember player will kill ta once he got lv 6. Bait reflection to flame guard then chain if dodge just use 3 remnants to kill ta. Problem is this thing use up too much mana

ember beats ta until ta gets 5 (laning stage) u cant man up against level 3 refract.

? ember wins if both are competent

a competent TA won't be baited to waste shield by ember.

So seems like most blue stars think ember beats Ta. Except cookie

A good Ember should beat an equally skilled TA I think. But a godly TA player can beat almost any hero, except Razor I guess.

ywn- 18 hours ago
ember beats TA

ta completely dog shit vs ember
ember can solo kill ta at lvl 3-4

Both heroes have solid kill potential on each other. One tiny mistake by one side can make the lane entirely one sided.

tell me please how does TA kill ember spirit sir

u press q, then u hit ember, and then ember dies. thank me later :)

ta is oen of the weakest mid heroes against ember at any point of the game

so from this thread i can conclude that

- TA is good against ember

- ember is good against TA

- TA needs to go lift

from this thread i can conclude that

- everyones retarded

ta beats ember ez

its just easier for ember but c'mon TA can win the matchup if she goes ham

im out

ta rapes ember

Lol. I dont see a case where same skill opponents going mid and TA wins Ember. Only with support rotations YES. Any kind of skill build on ta will be a failure vs ember. Ember just kills her lvl 3-4 that's all. [SAME SKILL MID PLAYER]

ta wins this matchup in a vaccuum by a fair bit from what ive seen, talked to good ta's bout it and it makes sense

please stop

Wheres @WagaGaming when we need him :D

pretty sure i play this hero just as good as waga if not better and u dont beat ember if he knows what to do

you can usually trade farm though