if you get the armor talent and a butterfly im pretty sure the only herothat can kill you is enigma
@JDF8 maybe truth, but ls is not for a 45min game, he is supposed to dominate early and win with 12k/ 15k gold IMO (boots, armlet, basher, deso, hyperstone and abyssal)
why would you need satanic?
what's the 257.5% lifesteal good for? you survive with open wounds and rage even without this lifesteal
and without rage you die regardless of having 58764387867% lifesteal because you won't hit anything unless enemy team picked absolutely 0 control
@gold experience requiem
I understand that rage is necessary. I'm not saying you shouldn't level rage. I still feel that sometimes having more lifesteal can be strong if your other abilities are on cooldown. Plus it makes you more tanky, +75 damage like I said, and it also means you can solo Rosh when it's normally harder to because feast doesn't work.
@JDD8, that does sound strong and we have seen some pros build butterfly on LS. Maybe I'll have to try it.
It's 500 hp and 75 dmg, it's good stats even if you don't *need* the lifesteal. And the buildup is fine now, used to be dominator, wait for 3200g, buy a recipie after. Now a mithril hammer isn't anything to write home about but I'll take casual 24 dmg while building an item over nothing and there's no recipie. I used to build satanic a lot on old naix like 3-4 years ago before open wounds got nerfed and you have to build more move speed, and then with echo sabre it wasn't that good anymore.
I understand that rage is necessary. I'm not saying you shouldn't level rage. I still feel that sometimes having more lifesteal can be strong if your other abilities are on cooldown. Plus it makes you more tanky, +75 damage like I said, and it also means you can solo Rosh when it's normally harder to because feast doesn't work.
did you even read what i typed?
lifestealer with rage = killing machine
lifestealer with rage on cd = creep
satanic purchase makes no difference in this and makes you sink 6k gold into an item that serves you no purpose
@ Dire Wolf
Right. The stats are certainly nothing to scoff at apart from the lifesteal. The item is a lot more carry oriented now in my opinion because of how much damage it gives now. Also, has anyone tried the ms talent? If you take that talent, build S&Y, and have BOTS your movespeed is a constant 510, which is almost as fast as the old haste speed (522.)
Yeah that move speed is crazy and leads to,
"lifestealer with rage on cd = creep "
don't agree with that at all. You can kite naix when rage is down, or you could. Not like he loses all dmg and tankiness with rage down. With that move speed talent it's pretty tough now.
@gold experience requiem
What about the 500 hp? What's wrong with that? That will give you surviveability when rage is on cooldown so that if you do get kited or CC'd, you can survive through it and rage again.
It doesn't seem that good, Lifestealer has never had issues with survivability when you are hitting a target, the problem is being kited and Satanic doesn't help in this regard at all.
Well alright then. What do you think of the ms talent in combination with S&Y and BOTS?
I'm pretty sure there are tons of situations where a force staff or shadow blade provide more survivability than a satanic does.
Also you never want to stack lifesteal percentages, instead of that you stack damage, it is more effective that way, in terms of killing the target. It might sound good at 75 damage but that's not very cheap damage considering the price.
Well, depending on your skill bracket and/or team, at least one of your supports will have built force staff.
I onced troll build before 7.00 with madness.Pudge hooked me then ss I was down hp arond 150/1200.
Open wounds
Madness
Rage
To my suprise my hp was full.Those were my retard days.
well feast is based on target's hp so has no correlation to satanic. Wounds does and uptime on wounds is pretty good at rank 4.
its like satanic on WK, largely a meme i think. physical ehp and lockdown items are key to maximizing the benefit you get from the hp you are already lifestealing imo
basically satanic is situational. The stats are good for lifestealer. Most games though he doesnt need the extra lifesteal. Maybe if your against like a terrorblade or something else thats going to output a ton of dps through rightclicks.
Attack speed is probably better cus of feast. Mojllnir, moon shard, ac, bots, s&y/butterfly, armlet/bkb.
no one pay atention to me LOL what i said is, if u (as naix) really need to build a satanic, is cuz u are losing the game already, and i agree that satanic, butterfly and bkb can turn the game (as naix, even having natural magic inmunity and lifesteal)
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Thoughts on building Satanic more often on LS now? The changes to the item benefit him a lot, +75 damage from the strength and bonus damage is huge. Plus if you use the active, open wounds, and have feast that's 257.5% lifesteal, which sounds really strong.