SoF is extremely fast with a 20cd at level 1 roughly, Spark Wraith has a 4cd and landing spark wraiths next to a creep is a pretty easy thing to do. Jugg would be good mid since you just spin and arc has bad cooldown. The last thing I have for @Four words you would never understand until you meet someone who is good with arc warden. I know a few around and we make the hero broken, everything you say is irrelevant since we know how to deal with it.
The last thing I have for @Four words you would never understand until you meet someone who is good with arc warden. I know a few around and we make the hero broken, everything you say is irrelevant since we know how to deal with it.
@four words is plenty "oh wait im next to a creep, oh wait i dodged it with SoF cause the animation is about as slow as your thinking, oh wait its irrelevant outside of laning stage, nice purge fam, very reliable". this just doesnt make any sense. Ofc you can stand near creeps to avoid being harrassed by the flux, thats right. But still: It limits your movement for 6 seconds to the creeps, which is, ofc, in the attack range of arc warden + his ult. Which means that you get hitted by an "double damage" arc warden for 6 seconds long. If placed correctly you can even get fluxed for 12 seconds. Thats more or less +/- 10 Seconds where both arc wardens can hit you with there normal autoattack. This results most of the time in death. Furthermore: you're normaly not going to flux someone if he has the chance to run to a creep. You'll only do so if there is one creep left. Playing vs arc warden is all about positioning.
Also saying that you just "dodge the spark wraiths" with SoF is a valid argument. But you can only dodge more or less 1 spark wraith with this. That means that +/- 3 sparkwraiths are left to hit you --> witch results most of the time in death
The only hero that can do smth vs arc is tinker, but only if he really gets help if you try to kill him. The problem with tinker is that he harrasses you too much. But even this can be reduced with infused raindrop.
Bcoz Arc Warden team role is very unique unlike usual the usual 'carries'. His skillset is very situational to be useful and very situational.
Todays changelog, necro is not needed unless you have a lot of invi enemies. The best item for him is BoT, SB/Dag, malevolence. That combo can pretty kill any lone heroes.
Arc Warden might be strong but he have a lot of counter and can't farm very well without Midas.
Spectre: one haunt and your dead if she become fat.
Lifestealer: Rage and he can bite you till you die.
Slark: One pounce and your in a state of panic in an instant.
Sven: Echo + Godstrength = RIP
Closing thought is: unless you want to have fun playing as carry, Arc Warden is good. But if you want to win or synergy with your team, there's a lot of carries to choose from thats a lot better than Arc Warden.
His flux is probably one of the best spells to get kills or stop someone from Escaping. he works well with all teams if they can do something in the game. All his "Counters" you suggest are wrong since you should know how to play around those heros by now. I mean the double should be at the front so Sven cant get to you. Slark can be a pain but it depends on warding and the team.
Arc can do things a lot earlier compared to a afk carry farmer that relies on the team to make space. which is why I beat Sven, TB, Spectre in nearly every game.
The main counters are AM (with good farm) and other Illusion based heros
^ Nah dude arc warden clearly has no counters, these guys are 10k and are ALWAYS in the right position, out of vision, and can always play around every spell the enemy has, no matter what because they're so good. Too bad they don't realise that 90% of the playerbase especially at 3-4k where these guys play have no fucking idea how to play against and counterpick that hero so you get easy wins with AW. Pretty sure the only player who actively plays Arc Warden and is actually good at it is AlexTheFool. Everyone else is just taking advantage of people not knowing how to pick/play against it.
@sir.swirl yeah fam im low 2k. I don't understand how you can be proud of being 3.5k, espeically on ez mode AUS servers. I'm actually embarassed of having to show this shit. http://imgur.com/Lwkks9Y
^ I was talking from the perspective of an ember spirit in lane. You don't mind being in the attack range of arc warden because then your flameguard doesn't get purged and you can get in his face with triple remant and just kill him as soon as you hit lvl 6, he can literally do nothing about it aside from running which won't help and fighting you which won't help either cause he's going to lose to the magic damage. The best he can do is have a team mate behind and bait you into diving the tower. Don't get me wrong, Arc Warden is indeed broken as shit but he can be countered. On that note, broodmother should also destroy him in lane. Not sure about later on but hopefully you've destroyed him enough in lane that he can't recover.
when Flame guard is gone in like 2 seconds? good point, If you're attacking him than wouldn't his slow work since you got no creeps now? You also got no creeps to protect flame guard.
Just build him like terrorblade. Dragon lance, manta, maybe even an early radience if you like. Butterfly is great and so is everything else. I'd say manta is always core and midas shoukd be bought almost always just because it is two for the price of one.
After reading all of you guys reply i amm sooooo loss so let me just end this.
Skill will decide who win that it no need to had details about who can kill who it all depend in The arc player and the Counter ones
P.s Arc it broken really really ???????????? After a neft like that he still broken.
SoF is extremely fast with a 20cd at level 1 roughly, Spark Wraith has a 4cd and landing spark wraiths next to a creep is a pretty easy thing to do. Jugg would be good mid since you just spin and arc has bad cooldown. The last thing I have for @Four words you would never understand until you meet someone who is good with arc warden. I know a few around and we make the hero broken, everything you say is irrelevant since we know how to deal with it.
normal skill: the post
He is low 2k ^ Im mid 3k bit of a difference.
@four words is plenty "oh wait im next to a creep, oh wait i dodged it with SoF cause the animation is about as slow as your thinking, oh wait its irrelevant outside of laning stage, nice purge fam, very reliable". this just doesnt make any sense. Ofc you can stand near creeps to avoid being harrassed by the flux, thats right. But still: It limits your movement for 6 seconds to the creeps, which is, ofc, in the attack range of arc warden + his ult. Which means that you get hitted by an "double damage" arc warden for 6 seconds long. If placed correctly you can even get fluxed for 12 seconds. Thats more or less +/- 10 Seconds where both arc wardens can hit you with there normal autoattack. This results most of the time in death. Furthermore: you're normaly not going to flux someone if he has the chance to run to a creep. You'll only do so if there is one creep left. Playing vs arc warden is all about positioning.
Also saying that you just "dodge the spark wraiths" with SoF is a valid argument. But you can only dodge more or less 1 spark wraith with this. That means that +/- 3 sparkwraiths are left to hit you --> witch results most of the time in death
The only hero that can do smth vs arc is tinker, but only if he really gets help if you try to kill him. The problem with tinker is that he harrasses you too much. But even this can be reduced with infused raindrop.
Just wanted to give some clarification here.
greetz
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Bcoz Arc Warden team role is very unique unlike usual the usual 'carries'. His skillset is very situational to be useful and very situational.
Todays changelog, necro is not needed unless you have a lot of invi enemies. The best item for him is BoT, SB/Dag, malevolence. That combo can pretty kill any lone heroes.
Arc Warden might be strong but he have a lot of counter and can't farm very well without Midas.
Spectre: one haunt and your dead if she become fat.
Lifestealer: Rage and he can bite you till you die.
Slark: One pounce and your in a state of panic in an instant.
Sven: Echo + Godstrength = RIP
Closing thought is: unless you want to have fun playing as carry, Arc Warden is good. But if you want to win or synergy with your team, there's a lot of carries to choose from thats a lot better than Arc Warden.
His flux is probably one of the best spells to get kills or stop someone from Escaping. he works well with all teams if they can do something in the game. All his "Counters" you suggest are wrong since you should know how to play around those heros by now. I mean the double should be at the front so Sven cant get to you. Slark can be a pain but it depends on warding and the team.
Arc can do things a lot earlier compared to a afk carry farmer that relies on the team to make space. which is why I beat Sven, TB, Spectre in nearly every game.
The main counters are AM (with good farm) and other Illusion based heros
I agree with above comment.
Don't forget to add Axe and Legion Commander at his counter.
But when I match with him, I use Bristleback or Alchemist.
^ Nah dude arc warden clearly has no counters, these guys are 10k and are ALWAYS in the right position, out of vision, and can always play around every spell the enemy has, no matter what because they're so good. Too bad they don't realise that 90% of the playerbase especially at 3-4k where these guys play have no fucking idea how to play against and counterpick that hero so you get easy wins with AW. Pretty sure the only player who actively plays Arc Warden and is actually good at it is AlexTheFool. Everyone else is just taking advantage of people not knowing how to pick/play against it.
@sir.swirl yeah fam im low 2k. I don't understand how you can be proud of being 3.5k, espeically on ez mode AUS servers. I'm actually embarassed of having to show this shit. http://imgur.com/Lwkks9Y
@four words is plenty: well still you dont react to the valid points i made.
^ I was talking from the perspective of an ember spirit in lane. You don't mind being in the attack range of arc warden because then your flameguard doesn't get purged and you can get in his face with triple remant and just kill him as soon as you hit lvl 6, he can literally do nothing about it aside from running which won't help and fighting you which won't help either cause he's going to lose to the magic damage. The best he can do is have a team mate behind and bait you into diving the tower. Don't get me wrong, Arc Warden is indeed broken as shit but he can be countered. On that note, broodmother should also destroy him in lane. Not sure about later on but hopefully you've destroyed him enough in lane that he can't recover.
when Flame guard is gone in like 2 seconds? good point, If you're attacking him than wouldn't his slow work since you got no creeps now? You also got no creeps to protect flame guard.
Just build him like terrorblade. Dragon lance, manta, maybe even an early radience if you like. Butterfly is great and so is everything else. I'd say manta is always core and midas shoukd be bought almost always just because it is two for the price of one.
After reading all of you guys reply i amm sooooo loss so let me just end this.
Skill will decide who win that it no need to had details about who can kill who it all depend in The arc player and the Counter ones
P.s Arc it broken really really ???????????? After a neft like that he still broken.
He got buffed ^
LOL and they tell me the neft this hero his stats it shit now hahahha
his stats got increased? only nerf was the shit rapier and the Q which is balanced now
Blame valve. We cant go 6 slot divine build now....
when to build manta on arc?....i feel like playing the hero after this post(used to play earlier before the nerf hammer)
When you play against silences ^ once again there was no nerf hammer
^ty sir
I have a decent stats on my Arc Warden (10-4-10 KDA, 700+ avg gpm) but only 7 matches.
Why only 7 matches? Because this hero can't work out every single game.
He is just like Meepo, a hero with a lot of counter but very strong is you pick him right vs right enemies.
You won't pick meepo when you see a ES, Pudge, or Wyvern. Same with Arc Warden.
You can only play him good when you know how to avoid your natural 'predator'.
Arc Warden is not underestimated.
arc op
raised solo from 3.1to3.9 and party from 2.9 to 3.5 in like 3-4 weeks spamming him
necros is shit
silver edge>bloodthron is the way to go
Dude necro it not shit
Was waiting for Mr Pops to come around.