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Pro players isn't pro because they have supports but because they have skill. in General Discussion
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    I really see a lot of people complaining about their bracket is shitty and how they have no support and even claim they're better than the pro if they actually have the supports. Don't get me wrong my first MMR I got is 1.2K and the second one is 3.6K and I gave them to my friends because I quit Dota and this is the new account I'm starting(Feel free to add me and play together, I am MLG as fuck xD). I'm just sick of people complaining and yes I once did the same thing(When I was 1.2K) Game is hard, shitty teammates, no courier, no ward(Me always blame on ward when me myself have no map awareness and always out of position) and many more. I never accept the truth that I actually suck at this game. So I decided to let go of my ego and accept the truth I suck, that's when I started my second account(I hate smurfer too but ...). I use Dotabuff to track my skill and bracket, watch pro replay, learn how to last hit, learn how to farm effieciently, learn the game sense, play smart and yeah I made it into the High Skill Bracket and Calibrated into 3.6K(3.4 now and I gave it to my friend). I quit Doto for 1 month and a half to catch up life(Still watch Dota vid cause I miss it) and came back to even get better and now I have made it into VHS(Can't wait to calibrate and can't believe I improved a lot). So guys just admit you suck. Everyone need practice and learning(Even pro player too). Stop blaming other faults, look at your own first. Watch pro replay and your own replay and the enemy that stomp you in game too because you will improve and learn by it. You fon't have to question if a pro player can play if they are in your bracket with no support and ward. Yes they can carry the whole team even without supports. A guy even made a thread on how the game is rigged when he himself is a loser and blame the system instead. Peace out and good luck, I know you can do it and get out of your bracket and improve.

    Bad Intentions

      Pros have the best mech skills, dat is definitely true.

      ~~V~~

        People just won't admit that they suck. What worse is that they think they're better than those 6K dudes lmao. I just read the Donate the money for PC thread and it turn out just a selfish loser who can't accept he is a loser. Just because he has experience in life and struggle doesn't mean other don't. Just because he has bad teammates and game doesn't mean the whole doto player don't. Was about to donate because I understand the struggle when I once had a shitty computer and wish someone drop me money from the sky but nah he's a plain bitch and loser.

        Not Supp-ort

          Ur trash kid go kys

          ~~V~~

            Lol said the NS. Okay I'll go.

            ک乇CƦ҉乇Tک

              You're not a 4k material

              ~~V~~

                Huh? I am a 3k player

                dunce

                  LUL smurfs all anyway

                  HartzFear

                    Your both crap :D

                    ~~V~~

                      Yes I am smurf now xD feelbadsman. Not just I have to start Dota again but CS Go too.

                      tmo-captainshags

                        "People just won't admit that they suck. What worse is that they think they're better than those 6K dudes lmao. I just read the Donate the money for PC thread and it turn out just a selfish loser who can't accept he is a loser. Just because he has experience in life and struggle doesn't mean other don't. Just because he has bad teammates and game doesn't mean the whole doto player don't. Was about to donate because I understand the struggle when I once had a shitty computer and wish someone drop me money from the sky but nah he's a plain bitch and loser."

                        I think you should reconsider what you say to people, cause if you called me a loser in real life id probably smash your face in. You, are in fact the one who is probably a fucking loser. Sitting on a computer talking like you know something. Your a punk ass bitch, and a sheep.

                        Where do you get off calling other people losers that you know nothing about. You should check yourself.

                        TripleSteal-

                          ^you sound like a loser to me

                          ~~V~~

                            Said the dude who just called people loser because they state their opinion. So you get yourself called a loser too lol. Loser.

                            ~~V~~

                              Not you TripleSteal

                              tmo-captainshags

                                "I know you can do it and get out of your bracket and improve." Improve relative to where you are sure, but you will never make money unless valve likes you. And eventually you will just see everyone you are playing with as shit and not be able to learn anything from them. You will not be able to progress once you get to a certain point because valve doesn't want you to. Trust me on this.

                                dunce

                                  Nah, u suck xd

                                  TripleSteal-

                                    why would anyone trust such a loser, though

                                    ~~V~~

                                      Dude TMO, most of us play for fun and of course losing isn't fun but when you're thinking about making money by playing dota you must have skills and dedication and a lot of times for it which skills can be get by improving and times is you and your life to decide whether to waste it on Dota or what. Ain't nobody got time for that.

                                      tmo-captainshags

                                        I am a loser because I tell the truth. It takes less than a few hours to learn a new hero you arent used to. You will find that there are heroes that work well with a good team and there are heroes that require teamwork. The only way to play anything other than carry role and actually have an impact is to have an actual fucking team. Plain and simple. If you win mid as tinker, sure you can be annoying and get some kills but your team needs tof ucking push. If you are a carry player, you can get as much farm as you can, get every last hit, push when there is space, assist team in fights when possible and still have your team feed more kills than the enemy carry. It isn't just "oh I think I am way better" its about the fact that there is a pattern in the shittiness of my teammates and it never seems to break nomadder how many games I win. I shouldnt have to play 400 games to fucking play a decent game of dota.

                                        dunce

                                          why i never have the same issues as u?
                                          - coz i play ranked

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                                          tmo-captainshags

                                            "Ain't nobody got time for that." because other people don't want you to have time. Durrr. You really think these pro players are some type of hero? They are a bunch of shitstains who lived off their parents and got lucky in a broken system and used as faces to push a false dream.

                                            If the game was really fair, more people would be able to have a chance at winning TI and they would reset the fucking MMR like I said.

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                                            ~~V~~

                                              And your point is you have shitty teammates? Why not just say so instead of bashing pro players, Gabe and called many of the Dotabuff's forum user a loser. That's what make you a loser. In 5K game I believe there will be still game that a dude is going to insta pick mid when somebody picture is being put in mid first then the dude got mad and pick other core hero until everyone do so. Just the retard-ness level reduce which people most likely want to win and play as a team.

                                              dunce

                                                and again u suck and are narcissistic

                                                tmo-captainshags

                                                  ^ They intentionally mix shit players with most people to keep people from rising up. Trust me, not making this up. Maybe I am not 7k in skill, but I am 100000% better than everyone I play with and never get better teammates , ever. And trust me, anyone has time to learn dota2 and play on a professional level. They give higher mmr players ping priority, they give them better teammates and they just don't give a fuck about most players. I am sure they are giving the golden ticket to their favorite players.

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                                                  ~~V~~

                                                    Yes I used to be like you. Why valve gimme stupid teammates and give enemy a good one? I just admit I suck and yeah I'm getting somewhere now. But I have no intention of going pro just enjoy the game and here is my advice, watch pro gameplay and practice. Watch Miracle(Not his fanboy and I hate his fans), that dude really farm efficiently and smart. I learnt a lot from him. Just my 2 cents.

                                                    tmo-captainshags

                                                      Calling someone narcissistic is a copout. You are narcissistic as fuck just for being alive. Its like labeling someone with a mental disorder like ADD rather than addressing the root cause which is low quality food and poor nutrition. Its like those diabetics that eat fast food every day and act like the world gave them a problem. Its a fucking copout. What the fuck is it about dota that makes you feel like its a fair game and that everythings fine and dandy about it? I know you are trying to motivate people to want to have fun, but the game is 100% broken and rigged.

                                                      I will say this one more time VALVE DOES NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT ANY OF YOU!

                                                      ~~V~~

                                                        And so will they give a fuck about you being stupid(Anything here like loser) and called other people stupid(Anything here like loser) then get butthurt when other called you stupid(Anything here like loser or narcissistic like Inx Long Qua states)? Just because people don't agree and have other opinion beside your doesn't mean they are a part of the illuminati. Kappa.

                                                        tmo-captainshags

                                                          I have watched alot of pro games and they don't really do anything thats not standard. Like I said before, 4 spells, half are passive = 2-4 button game. Its not a hard game. its harder to beat the lag than the enemy.

                                                          tmo-captainshags

                                                            Explain to me please, WHY THE FUCK CANT I SELECT A ROLE BEFORE QUE. WHY DOES MMR NOT RESET. WHY DOES THE FUCKING GAME ALWAYS GIVE ME RETARDED ASS TEAMMATES. IF THEY SEE ME CARRYING GAMES 700+ GPM, I WANT A SUPPORT WHO BUYS EVERY DAM WARD, EVERY FUCKING SMOKE, HAS HIGH SPELL USAGE, AND SAME IMPACT, RELATIVE AS A SUPPORT. NOT JUST SOME RANDOM FUCKING IDIOTS IN SOME RANDOM UNDEFINED SKILL BRACKET THAT USES VAGUELY DESCRIBED ALGORITHMS TO MATCH ME.

                                                            "SELECT YOUR ROLE"

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                                                            MATCHES BASED ON WINRATE/STATS. NO BRACKETS. EVERY PLAYER START 0 MMR. PLUS X PTS PER GAME. END OF STORY! LOSING PLAYER GO TO NEGATIVE, WINNING PLAYER GET POSITIVE.

                                                            Ok, sorry for the all caps, but that shit is the most important piece of information you need to know that the game is in fact rigged. If game sees you having high impact, you get higher impact opponent, now its harder to win. Dont need "VHS" dont need fucking 300 games of unranked. Dont need abandon system. Dont need report system. Only need mute system. Only need win/loss record. Mathmatically, the better player WILL win more points. Doesn't need a bunch of fancy hidden systems and algorithms to match people. Doesn't need to measure how many kills you get per game. Doesn't need to measure GPM/APM. All it needs to do is measure win and loss. One could say "but then people will intentionally keep their stats low to get easy opponents". To me that sounds like a dam good strategy, but you are more likely to lose the game if thats how you wanna play it.

                                                            Thing that separates higher mmr players is that 90% of their games aren't just a bunch of retards running around and killing eachother. Carries almost always get farm because of supports. In lower games, there is alwys some feeders ruining game, always retards picking bad and spamming spells on creeps. I shouldnt have to play 400 fucking games to prove to the game that I am ready to not have massively retarded teammates. I shouldnt look at my teams stats EVERY fcking game and see "350 gpm average, 400 gpm average" "recent heroes played LC, LC, LC, LC, NP,NP,NP,NP,NP,Ursa,Ursa,Ursa." ESP when my account has farm 9.9, push 9.9. I SHOULD BE MATCHED WITH TEAMMATE WHO HAS "SUPPORTING, 9.9" Recent heroes "Lion,AA,Lich, Etc."

                                                            The game looks at it like this "how good has the best player played with this hero, if you don't have 50 kills and 1400 gpm, you are sub par". I DONT CAMP THE POOl. I DONT PLAY LIKE A PUXXY FOR NO REASON AND ONLY FIGHT WHEN I KNOW I WONT DIE. I PUSH TOWERS AND PLAY PROPERLY. I DONT DANCE AROUND FOR AN HOUR PICKING HEROES OFF AND GET A SCORE OF 40-0 FOR NO REASON.

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                                                            dunce

                                                              that would be an interesting experiment but the thing is support players get games instantly while core players have to wait for 10mins for a game

                                                              TripleSteal-

                                                                being able to play different roles is part of your skill

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                                                                  You know why? Because in a bracket like you are full of the players who think he is the best in the world and wouldn't want to play support just like you. Do you believe this? If your team picked four cores and you pick a support that make big impact on the game, the other 5 cores will lose. You won't admit you suck(Everyone in that bracket don't and they're looking for supports who will smoke gang like they see in tournaments). And just because the game don't go your way doesn't mean it's rigged and doesn't mean the game suck. Just don't play it lol. It wasn't made custom for you.

                                                                  tmo-captainshags

                                                                    "You know why? Because in a bracket like you are full of the players who think he is the best in the world and wouldn't want to play support just like you. Do you believe this? If your team picked four cores and you pick a support that make big impact on the game, the other 5 cores will lose. You won't admit you suck(Everyone in that bracket don't and they're looking for supports who will smoke gang like they see in tournaments). And just because the game don't go your way doesn't mean it's rigged and doesn't mean the game suck. Just don't play it lol. It wasn't made custom for you."

                                                                    HOW CAN I SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO AVERAGES 300 GPM AND SPAM SPECTRE?

                                                                    dunce

                                                                      it means u are shitty support

                                                                      tmo-captainshags

                                                                        I have gotten into VHS games in 3 games several times. The way I did it, I play like shit, run around just killing people for 50 minuts and dont push the rax when I easly can. Get an insanely inflated score, and then the game thinks I am some type of super player, puts me with 300 gpm to make up for my massivly inflated percieved skill. Idk why else it would constantly give me such trash teammates. And then when my teammates arent trash, its another fucking carry player and they don't fucking listen to anything and don't fucking communicate what they are doing, I will call safelane because they don't fcking say anything and then they last pick a core. Sometimes last pick NP and cliff jungle. Even when my teammate have good stats, the pick retarded shit. THE SYSTEM SUCKS BALLS! I am sorry. Its just fucking garbage as fuck. I think its rigged as well. Either way, its fucking trash.

                                                                        Tomicent

                                                                          HAHAHHA I didn't know about volvo and doto conspiracy. Gaben doesn't want to you to climb mmr, because he knows that you will be able to WIN The International.

                                                                          ~~V~~

                                                                            Ok I'm out of words to say. But hey this guy remind me of an old me lol. Try admiting the truth that you suck. You're not flawless as you think and learn the mech of the game. Watch SingSing's stream, I learnt how to roam and kill and other mech from the dude and creative build too.

                                                                            tmo-captainshags

                                                                              "it means u are shitty support" why because I will buy smokes and say "gather for smoke here" and nobody comes? Because I ward and then people don't look at the minimap? Because I will do my best to keep equilibrium in creeps for my carry but he just pushes them and auto attacks the creeps? Because I rotate for my team and then they just walk away and leave me hanging because they don't know the potential of their own hero?

                                                                              ک乇CƦ҉乇Tک

                                                                                Normal skill ego TMO😂

                                                                                tmo-captainshags

                                                                                  Ok I'm out of words to say. But hey this guy remind me of an old me lol. Try admiting the truth that you suck. You're not flawless as you think and learn the mech of the game. Watch SingSing's stream, I learnt how to roam and kill and other mech from the dude and creative build too.

                                                                                  I have watched his stream. He just runs around using his abillities like any non retarded player. He throws alot of random arrows, throws alot of random hooks. Misses alot, but at least HE FUCKING DOES THINGS. My teams are always soooooooo fucking bad constantly losing lanes and doing nothing in fights. Silencer pickers who just walk away from fights and could just press R and I would get an ultrakill, instead they just watch enemy team fucking stun me 3 times ina row and kill me. I will even give people fucking 20 seconds warning sometimes and talk on mic and they still do fuking nothing. My teams are honestly quite possibly just fucking BOTS

                                                                                  ~~V~~

                                                                                    Can you even solo a Normal Skill game if you say you are as good as you think? I believe just a 4K player can solo carry at least 3/4 Game and the last game KDA will be at least 20Kills even if he lose.

                                                                                    ک乇CƦ҉乇Tک

                                                                                      You wouldn't get vhs on that smurf TMO CAPT. winrate was good (NORMAL SKILL)😂

                                                                                      Tomicent

                                                                                        tmo-captainshags. because you have no idea how to get advantage playing as suport. I suggest to you, to leave the game.
                                                                                        a lot of people climbs from 2k to 4k and even 5k if they really want to.

                                                                                        ک乇CƦ҉乇Tک

                                                                                          Normal skill ego, I admit were far better than you TMO. 17 GAMES (NORMAL skills games)RIP YOUR SMURF, ( FAIL SMURF)

                                                                                          レイン

                                                                                            "They are a bunch of shitstains who lived off their parents and got lucky in a broken system and used as faces to push a false dream."

                                                                                            well basically u are very wrong, mainly because becoming a pro player in dota is not worth the time and effort, so no one with more than 140 IQ is going to even try becoming a pro player. Heres the dildo, Dota is like 12 y old, that means that the pro scene is already well established and it is very hard to get in (compared to other moba games, I am looking at overwatch for some reason).

                                                                                            Just make a list with all the newcomers between 01.01.2014-01.01.2016 in it and then check the e-sports earnings website and see how many of em have actually achieved something. TBH most of the players shown there have spent at least 5 years of their lives playing dota and as you can see #100 (yoky) earned 103 000$ - 103k/5 = 20.6k/year which is basically nothing or at least it wasnt worth playing for so long. Also after certain age it is very hard to play on the same lvl as a 21 y old, so dota can't be considered as a real job since no matter how successful u are ur career is probably going to end at like 30(max). So my point is - dota is definitely not worth it if you are not in the top 100 (or even top 60) and the chances for you to be there are 12 000 000/60 = 1/200 000 can achieve something.

                                                                                            "half are passive = 2-4 button game" - a competitive game doesnt need to be hard, simply because being the best doesnt mean being flawless, but on a bit higher lvl than the rest of the players. Tetris is also pretty easy in terms of mechanics but I'm pretty sure it will take you a lot of time to be as good as some players.

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                                                                                            sunshine

                                                                                              Captainshags please go play LOL dota isnt for you

                                                                                              eXcel

                                                                                                Tmo you are the definition of toxic. Original poster made some simple claims about how attitude can affect your game (and he's correct) but you're just a whiney kid who can't even smurf well. A guy proved that the system isn't rigged when he took a 1.5k account to 5k with like a 90%+ win rate. I myself calibrated at about 3.3k and have been up to low 5k when I was playing a lot and changed my attitude because I was looking for a team. I now hover around 4.5k as I took a long time out of the game and I was rusty as fuck, but I'm still mechanically better than the majority of people in my bracket, and as a consequence I am working back towards 5k

                                                                                                sisyphus

                                                                                                  time to switch to the superior moba, they've got the role locking system you're after

                                                                                                  Argon d'Orleans

                                                                                                    I kinda agree with captainshags, as a matter of fact, win streaks Always end because of a bunch of fuckers that draft shitty and/or leave the game, when sometimes when I'm in a lose streak I get a freaking awesome team, and a pretty well challenging game.
                                                                                                    Also just consider how "easily" I climb in 4k brackets when in my main account I'm coming back to 3k from 3,6k. I'm not used to play with such bunches of shits anymore, if you want to take my beatiful engagemente you must do it, or we lose, that's how you do it. If people don't you just can't win dudes.

                                                                                                    lm ao

                                                                                                      its weird

                                                                                                      my last won storm game, i got 4 other cores and i bought literally everything the team needed. i won, i didnt snowball but i adapted, and i still get a nice kda ratio.

                                                                                                      point: there are people who succeed because they have the attitude of winners. sourgraping losers usually end up quitting this game because they cant handle competition

                                                                                                      lm ao

                                                                                                        im pretty sure this captainshags guy isnt even near 4.6k like he said