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General Discussion6.87d

6.87d in General Discussion
Pale Mannie

    * Doom cooldown increased from 125 to 140
    * Armlet health drain increased from 40 to 45 per second
    * Sun Ray cooldown increased from 20 to 26
    * Beastmaster Boar Attack Damage reduced from 15/30/45/60 to 10/25/40/55
    * Call of the Wild Hawk/Boar manacost increased from 15 to 25
    * Rolling Boulder slow duration reduced from 2 to 1.4/1.6/1.8/2.0
    * Lion's base intelligence reduced by 2
    * Track self bonus gold reduced from 200/275/350 to 170/260/350

    EtoroAbasi

      wow, all these nerfs

      Muffinman

        Way past time to stop picking Bounty Hunter and Beastmaster, ye?

        Icefrog says fuck you to all those who still do

        one syllable anglo-saxon

          Doom cooldown increased from 125 to 140

          what the fuck

          Livin' Real Good

            I literally just started learning Doom for the first time too.... Welp* That just made him less fun, but he's still probably a solid character.

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            stupid fuck 2000

              The beast master nerfs damn. He's still gonna get picked tho.

              HaylingZar

                Earth Spirit:
                Removed.

                EmotionalDrift

                  Ebola dumpstered back to stone age! FeelsGoodMan

                  Swap Commends

                    Doom
                    Rexxar
                    removed from game
                    ty Osfrog

                    Johnny Rico

                      Gonna change my predictions, i felt that lion nerf today, i was having mana problems in early game even with the suck, it never felt that i had enough mana.
                      But the doom one, gonna remove him from my most banned prediction.

                      5THLEGION

                        Finally doom and tumor sprit removed from the game

                        matrice

                          a bit more nerf on doom and beast and they'll finnaly be fine.

                          Still a long road of nerf for ebola

                          >tfw no gamer girl peeing gf

                            I heard Doom is a support. How do you play him?

                            Val

                              not enough nerfs : - )

                              King of Low Prio

                                Leave BH alone, they legit just need to buff sentries to being single bought so supports can afford it in the early game(possibility remove tangos being able to kill them)

                                King of Low Prio

                                  Until they do that BH will be a top tier pick

                                  Fee Too Pee

                                    Noooooo a fucking huskar nerf. All right ggwp thx osfrog I fucking uninstall fuck this game literally unplayable. Rip road to 4k MMR. Why not slark nerf thou

                                    Chadzpyre

                                      slark untouched XdDDDDWEASG

                                      Illyasviel

                                        RIP my bh

                                        House Cat

                                          Sven armor is too much... +20

                                          lowercasenospace

                                            Aa got buff lion nerf... We Already had aa meta...

                                            efextoide

                                              little nerf for ES, still can be played

                                              arin

                                                i pick doom three times this patch and he gets nerfed? I HAVE THE CONTROL :horse:

                                                frodo

                                                  Hahahahaahaaa
                                                  You all think Earth spirit is shit just because of that tiny nerf?

                                                  5THLEGION

                                                    Lich needs to be nerfed back to stone age

                                                    Oldman

                                                      ^ Like it fuckin makes any difference on 500 mmr range ??

                                                      TheMaverick427

                                                        Why they Nerf Doom again :( Can all the pro teams just stop picking him before he gets killed completely?! I don't want him to end up like Huskar and Troll :(

                                                        shodan31

                                                          Nobody talks here about Armlet nerf, I think that item is worse now than before 6.87.

                                                          Johnny Rico

                                                            armlet not that bad his strengh is on toggle, almost no one keeps the armlet on all the time, and if you do you have the lifesteal to keep that up.

                                                            Feed

                                                              Earth spirit is always nerfed but always picked lul.

                                                              twitch.tv/afeect

                                                                rip storm

                                                                Fee Too Pee

                                                                  I RATHER HAVE FUCKING NO ARMOUR BONUS THAN A FUCKING MORE NEGATIVE HEALTH REGEN WTF IS UR POINT BUFFING ARMLET VALVE. REVERT PLS LITERALLY A FUCKING HUGE NERF TO MY HUSKAR :(((((((

                                                                  Naive8A | Life Before Death

                                                                    *meekly*
                                                                    Does nobody care about the sun ray nerf?
                                                                    My baby bird is getting bullied by the frog...

                                                                    spacemanspiff

                                                                      Actually kind of nice that we're reducing the power creep a bit with some of these smaller patches.

                                                                      matrice

                                                                        @TheMaverick427
                                                                        When a hero like doom have such an ultimate, he is supposed to have a skill set so bad with it that the hero is useless beside his ult.
                                                                        Right now doom is still great without his ult, thus he is overpowered.

                                                                        When you can "remove" one heroes from opponent team, and especially choose which one, you have already such an edge to opponent, cause even if the hero doing so is totally useless, you are actually choosing the position in BOTH team of the useless hero.

                                                                        Dire Wolf

                                                                          uh well, ok doom is a great ultimate but since they removed lvl death he has no way to remove linkens on his own. Have you ever tried to get you pub team to pop linkens for you so you can doom the best target? It's ridiculously hard. I think doom ability is pretty fine as is, the issue is when the game goes super late and he gets aghs and refresher and then disables 40% of your team. You can't win anything like that. Maybe instead of nerfing the ability so much just change his aghs to something else so it's not as bad. Like make it give devour two charges so he can devour two at the same time and have two abilities. Or make scorched earth and infernal blade pure dmg.

                                                                          TheMaverick427

                                                                            @matrice_9657
                                                                            I know Doom is really strong, but hes gotten so many nerfs its getting ridiculous. He got one Large buff in 6.85 and he's been nerfed 8 times since then. (although getting Infernal Blade can be considered something of a buff). I don't want him to get nerfed into uselessness because he keeps getting picked :(

                                                                            @ <E.M>Pvt. Zekken.Naive
                                                                            Sunray nerf is not that important. Its more of a nerf to the Laser Support Phoenix then to offlane core Phoenix which is fine with me. A cooldown nerf is probably the smallest nerf they could have done since his ult refreshes all his cooldowns anyway. To be fair, Sunray is a really strong ability that shouldn't be on a shorter cooldown than all his other spells :P

                                                                            Dire Wolf

                                                                              doom isn't picked much except in 5k+ anyway, hence matrice's bitching. Go look at meta tab, pick rate 4-5k is 12%, not super high, about average, and he's way below average below that. Barely 50% in 4-5k, sub 50 below that. It's only a 25% pick rate, 52% win rate 5k+ but it's not even close to where spec and invoker have been recently.

                                                                              Feed

                                                                                You can't nerf Earth spirit Volvo. Earth spirit will nerf your ass hahaha

                                                                                Dawnto(CGG)™

                                                                                  Actually doom can cancel linkens on his own... Devour the mini satyr neutral creep... u get purge ability... that helps in canceling linkens yourself.