Useful position 4 utility hero. But nowadays people favor AoE, so his doom is not all that gamebreaking, since you can doom somebody, and then have shaker and sandking/crystal maiden/gyro/ember/anything really rape your team. I think he's fallen out of favor since AoE spam has become more favorable. More teams are playing it safe in terms of having a good teamfight with only a handful of heroes, so Doom won't counter that at all, and will die very fast without farm (just look at his stat gain, damnit).
Just on the exact place he should be, considering that he remove a hero from the game. that's a 4v4
^yes, since unless he's really farmed up, he won't be able to do literally anything after using his Doom. If you're thinking single-target, even necro is a better pick than him currently (though he has hard time popping a linkens if necessary) as he makes a growing HP difference between the teams way more rapidly and can burst people down too if needed if he's a core.
But I guess a doom could screw storm and lesh really hard, so that's some food for thought. If those two can screw your whole team, and you pick doom who's going to be useless otherwise, it could be a good tradeoff, since your 4v4 means that they play without storm/lesh in most fights, and they've drafted their team around those cores, while you have a different idea with doom as a teamfight utility/aura bitch and an otherwise strong draft that does not focus on doom.
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Doom makes your game a 4v4.
But considering that 4v4 would imply the other team losing it's Storm Spirit/Leshrac, while Doom's only loses him while keeping it's Bloodcyka/Gyrocopter...
Still, the main issue comes from picking Doom in the first place.
Doom can snowball from won teamfights, if he gets tons of gold this way, he can stack aura items and build survivability and a refresher, which will further make their team unable to comeback since they'll simply get weaker over time. Lategame, Doom can actually make the fight 3v5, if he's doing really well (provided their cores are underfarmed and have lost many fights already). If you take their two core heroes out of the fight, while your cores are all up and running, and you provide tremendous aura power to them (and are actually tanky and hit hard) you can usually just end the game.
Doom has shit stat gain and does not scale into late game aside from becoming increasingly dangerous as he approaches his refresher. Essentially, he's in some ways similar to shadow demon, but in pubs you'll see him jungling for 30 minutes and then he'll come out of the jungle 6 slotted and rape everybody because nobody checked up on him, and their carries are shit at farming and die in stupid ways.
Also, Doom could indeed be a "revenge" hero due to popular mobility picks lately. Ember, storm, lesh, AM all depend on their huge mobility to sustain fights, taking that from them is huge, obviously. Also, QoP is a popular mid pick too, and is a blinky blinky bitch like antimage as well, so even if you don't have a problematic storm pick on the other side, you could still have a core lesh and mid qeen of pain in the aaaaAAAAAaaaaass.
is dooming a lesh really that effective when the pulse nova stays on until he runs out of mana?
Doom is just too much of a walking ult for this patch. He's useless before level 6 and only has his ultimate as a real threat, while other heroes this patch can fight a lot more.
The current patch balances out gold distribution in fights as well. So even if the lesh or storm snowballed hard the first 20min, the rest of his team will catch up to him since they gain more gold than the top net worth hero from team kills. Which means dooming the mid hero won't matter that much, since they've also fattened up their brothers and sisters.
The new net worth mechanic is really the worst for heroes like necro and doom who are best at removing single heroes from fights, but at the same time bounty hunter becomes a God.
the animation sucks, a good AM/Storm/Lesh will manta/ball(or euls/euls in time. Now with lesh if you dont have any back up you will get doomed tho
Doom is an excellent situational picker atm. I have had great sucess on him as an Offlaner. Skill the crap out of Q/W go Phase SB, Shivas Refresher or heart. Boss as fuck. I find he works great vs some of the strong heroes currently like Storm, Leshrac, Bounty, AM.
Doom is top tier support in current meta. +30% damage aura and strongest single target disable that pierces BKB. What else can you dream of as a support?
doom is bad for basically same reasons necro is bad
1) its not a 5v5 early teamfights kind of a hero
2) cores are less important than in previous patches and you can rarely win a game by dooming right person at the right time, in contrast with the situation of 1 year ago (tinker meta and shit)
also junglers have a huge engative impact on ur early laning stage, and nowadays laning stage is way more important than before
You don't have to go to jungle. You can stay in lane and harass offlaner, switch to jungle only to eat a creep on every cooldown.
Doom feel bad cause no1 max that lvl? death, which is so fucking strong to kill.
and also cause the way we have to play him now, is very far from the way he used to be played.
Didn't they nerf the xp gain from jungle? That to me seems to hurt doom the most, losing extra gold and xp from devouring creeps that first 10 mins or so. It seems to take a lot longer to farm midas + mek or blink than before.
Plus doom just isn't as good anymore since it doesn't block regen. The dmg nerf was tiny, on standard resist it's only like 30 for the whole ult, but people seem to live through doom much easier now.
I used to play a lot of doom and I'd go right clicker, go jungle and farm midas, phase boots, vlads, the push towers, get halberd, ac, basher. It was very formidable especially when you had an alpha wolf devoured. But not that break is gone on doom you're forced to go aghs which is really a shitty item otherwise.
im acutally looks so forward for doom to be back gon spam that fuckin doom offlane and win every single game jesus im the best doom u can find theres no way around it
Octarine core on doom doesn't seem that good. Refresher still seems way better and the lifesteal won't be enough to make a difference. You're already beast mode with hellfire up and shit when it's down, and doom has zero armor, ac seems so much better.
doom is not good for this meta when early push is somewhat good. for late game meta doom is good <3 and nerf of farm is something very bad on doom.
^The nerf of farm is good for Doom, lol. On Doom you always buy midas unless you're safelane whereas options gets wider, which means the gold input you get from midas and devour makes a larger differnece as people on average gets less farm by just rightclicking creeps.
It's just the meta that doesn't serve him, not that gold changes hurt him
after saw this topic i went to ranked and won a game with ember. my gpm was 666.
coincidence? Kappa
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1755456081
Played one, it went ok. No one pressured jungle so I got good farm but our mid started 0-3 to wind ranger. These noobs just could not dodge the latch thing. And gyro and ta kept dying during team fights to earth and wind disables. Gyro even had bkb but would never activate it. All around poor play but the doom pick worked pretty good vs wr and es and pa once I had aghs melted.
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