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General DiscussionHow 2 play anti-mage?

How 2 play anti-mage? in General Discussion
MARLAN

    I'm not sure if I'm just utter shit at him, or most pub teams just don't know how to play with a farming carry, but anyone have any tips? Best build in specifics? How to play him/etc.?

    I really like the hero, my WR% with him is pretty abysmal. I'm not on him for the hero challenge yet, but he'll be coming up, not to mention I just like the hero and I suck at him.

    kanye went to uni

      you're probably higher skill tier than me, but am works for me when i play super aggressive from level 1; i miss last hits just to hit opponents, and if your support has some sort of lockdown you can probably kill them because mana burn hurts so much early. eventually they get scared of coming to lane and losing their mana, so you end up with better farm than you would have if you only went for cs (that's the case for me at least). for me this works more than fifty percent of the time ... the other times i just die and lose the game because, actually, am is really squishy :p

      MARLAN

        that sounds to me like suicide. if you have good supports then totally, but not really a tip for AM. that's a tip for every carry. > if your supports can make plays, then follow up. every carry should be ready to follow up, it's rare to get a support that makes good plays though.

        i'm looking for AM specific advice. builds and general game advice for the hero in specific.

        Guts

          I am not a good anti-mage but he is all about farm farm farm. He is an underpowered hero and lower tier carry compared to other carries such as spectre, void, pa but he can still work due to his farm speed. Best build is battlefury > manta. Don't get a midas on him please lol. Abuse his blink, probably the best thing about anti-mage even though the name suggests something else.

          jo~

            right clicking before blinking in helps u win matchups

            go kill urself

              get one point in everything, get 2 points in stats, get r, one more point in stats, then max blink - u only want the value points, its more important not to die than aynthing. in most lanes enemy will run out of mana fairly quickly and ull be left with dead levels and considering antimage has shitty base stats u really benefit from levels in stats - makes u super hard to kill w/ one point in mana shield

              u should be hitting naga-level cs (500 at 40 minutes or so at least) if u have a good time in lane. probably 500 at 45 if u had like a 15 min battlefury

              MARLAN

                ^is this legit

                jo~

                  ya its fairly common just make sure u get level 4 blink by 11

                  go kill urself

                    level 10 preferably i think (1-4-1-1 with 3 stats) levels in mana void are great

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                    jo~

                      yea thats what i meant.
                      2 levels of burn is sometimes useful to win your lane harder according to beesa but he tries to get 1v1 matchups as much as possible so idk

                      lesserafim

                        rush dagon on am, thats what i do

                        Epic Sax Guy

                          My biggest issue with playing AM is that it's so frustratingly boring. Your presence in the game for the first 20min is very limited. It's a hero that almost forces 4p1.

                          Zenoth

                            Never level spell shield past 1.

                            With level 1 spell shield, one point of Stats gives you 38 hp, which, along with his 44.5% resistance, lets you soak up 68.5 magical damage.

                            Every additional level of spell shield gives you an extra 6% resistance. For it to give you as much EHP against magical damage, you need to receive MORE THAN 1142 magical damage. That's entirely ignoring the other benefits of stats, by the way (damage, attack speed, armour, mana)

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                            jo~

                              antimage is quite a strong laner o.O

                              Smile

                                I don't agree with that build, it's so situational
                                sometimes you want 2-3 points in mana break during the laning stage
                                it's situational
                                I agree with only 1 point in shield though

                                Dire Wolf

                                  I know a lot of people try to build anit mage to fight sooner by going stuff like yasha, vlads, vit booster, even vanguard. But one of the pros said anti mage's entire usefulness is his ability to farm up quicker than other carries. According to him he's not on equal footing with other carries and only wins cus he gets more farm sooner. I'd go battlefury every time and work on your in lane last hitting if you want to be good at him. Get a battlefury before 15 mins and you are good. After 20 and you are in trouble. In the middle somewhere is pretty average and you'll have a shot at winning.

                                  vsti

                                    ^ Burning said that.

                                    #12

                                      don't pick him unless the other team has really weak lanes or your team is willing to tri lane for you. don't try to fight early, farm or push none stop. once you have manta you are super hard to kill so you can start farming on the other side of the map or split pushing if the other team doesn't have a way to deal with you, this will let your team mates get some farm on your side of the map. There is nothing worse then trying to fight 4v5 for 25 minutes while your whole team is poor/under leveled because your teams anti mage took all the farm, then realizing that he still cant fight the other teams carry. In games were anti mage is going to not suck he is the last hero picked(or at least close to the last).

                                      THICC BABY SHUM

                                        how to play antimage: dont plz, hate playing vs that hero.

                                        Androgynous

                                          Every additional level of spell shield gives you an extra 6% resistance. For it to give you as much EHP against magical damage, you need to receive MORE THAN 1142 magical damage.

                                          wheres this value coming from?

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                                          Mr. Nice Guy

                                            well,you should get bf,treads and manta about min 20-25. if you do this,you ll dominate,and then,you can go push and if smt happens,blink away,take some kills when you can. allways max blink first,you need to survive and get that bf faster,not to fucking go for kills.

                                            Dire Wolf

                                              2 str is 38 hp = 68 hp at 45% resistance with the one point
                                              6% of 1142 = 68 hp

                                              I'm not 100% sure it's right but that's where he is getting it from. I think a simple example might prove/disprove:

                                              1150 dmg at 44.5% = 638 dmg taken (dropping fractional values for simplicity)
                                              1150 at 50.5% resist = 569 dmg taken
                                              638 - 569 = 69 hp
                                              which is what adding 38 hp at 44.5% resist gives you.

                                              I think he is correct in his statement that you would need to take more than 1150 magic dmg for the 6% resist to negate more than adding 38 hp.

                                              Concealed

                                                http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/959308136/farm

                                                A good example of 12 min bf (lanning with warlock against weaver) getting 6 slotted pretty fast, dying back and loosing an ez game

                                                THICC BABY SHUM

                                                  ^they had vlads ac and mek

                                                  Concealed

                                                    They had weavers swarm that gave lc vision of me with 800 hp so I just killed myself of blade mail during the duel

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                                                    Midi Prill

                                                      basic AM guide

                                                      - buy all the hecktick cosmetics
                                                      - be peruvian
                                                      - have "gg ff" on copy paste
                                                      - lose people in fog

                                                      Von Darkmoor

                                                        "Farming carry" you mean a player that farms with his hero just like a bot a player that is no diffrent from a person being afk you mean why 4 guys struggle to win vs 5 guys cause you are afk or might just aswell have been, yes yes yeeeessss weird it is wise one.

                                                        jo~

                                                          u can cut waves force tower trades force tps and then tp back to fight 5v4 what are u talking about