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General DiscussionViable solo offlaner list for current meta

Viable solo offlaner list for current meta in General Discussion
Hopeless

    I've been using a lot of tide and centaur. BB as always... throwing in some others like Kotl

    Looking for some outside the box suggestions. Prefer durable position 3 or 4 heroes.

    Kendom

      Windranger? Beastmaster?

      Welt aus Eis

        Timbersaw and Clock. If you're playing against a squishy tri - or even better, a duo lane - you can rape if they don't play with caution

        Metallicize

          timber is very good.

          Hopeless

            I should learn clock better than i know him. mostly see force staff, afhs and blademail on him... though I feel like blink would be cool.

            Timber i really like but think he is sorta out of the meta atm. Seems heavily reliant on a blood stone.

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            Totentanz to The King: M ...

              Do you guys actually follow the meta at all or just throw in some random heroes?

              Hopeless

                to be fair Sam, meta is different depending on MMR.

                Welt aus Eis

                  Not really Concede, consider picking Timber when you see a squishy lineup or lots of STR heros who can't kill you easily. I admit Bloodstone it's a bit too expensive for what it gives you in the current meta. Going Arcane - Dagger is awesome as well if your team has more Arcane boots than just you.

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                  sleave

                    doom timber bb centaur tide

                    sleave

                      and clock

                      Welt aus Eis

                        Yeah, ofc how could I forget Doom. Stupid OP faceroll hero that gets farm out of his ass.

                        Hopeless

                          Yea i want to incorporate doom more... I played pretty poorly with him when I first tried him. He wasn't in HoN....

                          Now I don't want to pick him and lose more and have the winrate get even shittier.

                          I think clock is the one i have to really make happen.... any farming strategies for clock with his skills?\

                          And darkseer seems really solid too, but very unconventional.

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                          NoDE.Zafoche

                            Wind, brew, beast, brist, clock, tide undy, doom, centaur, earthshacker, timbasaw, viper, darkseer...

                            Hopeless

                              ^

                              صدق86

                                lich, tide, ds, void, clock

                                wr shit hero

                                Heathen

                                  You can solo offlane basically any hero, and often times it's best to grab whatever hero your team would most benefit from instead of from a list of heroes that you view as "typical" offlaners. If you need an Omniknight but already have your safelane tri (or dual and jungler/roamer) and a mid, guess what hero you're taking to the offlane? (Hint: it's Omniknight.) You can even get a ton of farm if the enemy has a weak trilane (or heaven forbid, a weak *dual* lane).

                                  I'll list the heroes that I would *NOT* be comfortable taking to a solo offlane against basically any heroes:

                                  Riki. Too squishy, farm-dependent, and with an unreliable escape. He can't be "okay" if he just leeches lvl 6.
                                  Terrorblade. Same as Riki.
                                  OD. Same as above.
                                  Crystal Maiden. Squishiest, slowest hero in the game, who doesn't really benefit from the levels or potential farm.

                                  This concludes the list. Questions?

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                                  Hopeless

                                    ^
                                    no. no you can not solo offlane any hero. And your example for omniknight is silly because he can be played solo offlane. I have been considering using him for it. You use repel to ensure your safety.

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                                    Z__

                                      ^
                                      Welp, in the potato bracket you can solo offlane with any hero, specially if you're radiant.

                                      jo~

                                        earthshaker and omniknight kzz proven.
                                        lc's good if their disables are mainly slows/frost bite

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                                        Hopeless

                                          how have i forgotten phoenix!

                                          I'm really interested in this hero, but the build order seems so locked and i have no experience with him.

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                                          NoDE.Zafoche

                                            phoenix is not meta cause its not in captmode

                                            AND I HOPE THIS SHIT HERO WILL NEVER BE

                                            Welt aus Eis

                                              there's a meta for pubs, you know

                                              Hopeless

                                                ^pretty sure 2k meta is the only one X6 is aware of.... not sure why he is talking about captains mode.

                                                Hopeless

                                                  oh yes... batrider. The big bad bat can be offlaned.

                                                  sleave

                                                    2k meta doesnt have such thing as offlane, its all dual lanes so doesnt really matter whether you are in safe or off

                                                    Sugar Show

                                                      darkseer

                                                      saoulfou

                                                        spectre offlane!!!

                                                        Seoulmate

                                                          here in 3k you can see magnus, bloodseeker, and slardar off.

                                                          Also I've heard people talking about sniper off, has anyone tried it with success?

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                                                          Hopeless

                                                            ^sniper offlane is a very specific thing and should only be done if your team is ok with it, because pubs wont understand wtf you are doing.

                                                            An offlane sniper will max shrapnel first. The idea is to use the huge AOE and cast range to get CS and harass your opposing carries last hitting, as well as pushing the enemy tower. This means you will be putting points into headshot last, opting for 2-3 points in take aim first. Your itemization will be a blink dagger with either a force staff or phase boots. some go all three but if you get force staff and blink i think treads are more appropriate. Many will also do blink with mask.

                                                            You maximize mobility and range so that you do damage, specifically to towers, from really far away.

                                                            #12

                                                              ^^ I really cant see bloodseeker working at all, although mag seems like he could work well even at a higher skill.
                                                              Personally I have been using PA and LC as suicide solo heroes in 3k.

                                                              Hatsune Miku

                                                                solo offlane PA seems good too

                                                                mr dee

                                                                  Phoenix, Mirana, Centaur, Void, Brew are my top picks for offlane.

                                                                  Szotyi3

                                                                    I rarely see Batriders on pub, so we could say it's "outside of the box". Good against push, good against Void.
                                                                    Same with ElderTitan...

                                                                    Oh, and Furion+LD wasn't even mentioned yet as good offlaners, wut

                                                                    sleave

                                                                      magnus is decent even at 4k's (highest ive been playin)

                                                                      i see batriders all the time lately dont know why the hype
                                                                      furion most time is picked as an afk jungler, people dont really know how to play him offlane

                                                                      bloodcyka proly won't work on higher rates because he will be zoned out so he won't be able to regen. people know how to control the lane also so he can get a long time without 'killable' creeps, and once you zone him out there is no shit he can do to come back, unless healing up/going back to base/etc, so it would be a pretty shitty offlane imo.

                                                                      TA could work in an organized team if your team go to an aggro tri and you get to 1v1 the enemy offlaner but VERY sittuational.

                                                                      PA is shitty too, if enemy got an skywrath ur pretty much fucked

                                                                      sleave

                                                                        slardar is ok-ish imo, if supports go roam he probably will solo kill the carry

                                                                        Fay

                                                                          Timber is probably the best choice, many higher ranked chinese server player have timber as their most played hero
                                                                          I reckon the reason is because
                                                                          1. He is durable
                                                                          2. He can escape ES's path block (even high tier offlane like clock, doom or tide can't even escape this shit)
                                                                          3. He has 2 pure damages skill, very good at current meta str heroes line up
                                                                          4. He has big AoE to shit on pushing lineup.
                                                                          5. He's fun to play? YES HE IS
                                                                          6. Phantom lancer? Naga Siren? TB?? He shit on them.
                                                                          7. He's the reason why i lost 4 times in a row as PL and dropped my winrate :facepalm:

                                                                          Let's just be honest even in low tier games like mine,
                                                                          ES's path block and another stun support smoke in at early level is not rare to see.

                                                                          sleave

                                                                            clock cannot escape ES fissure but he can keep people away from him with that annoying drain thing (forgot the skills name), so its pretty much the same

                                                                            timber is somehow really weak at comp scene right now, in TI4 he had 38% winrate, while clock had 60%
                                                                            but i dont really know why timber is weak, so everything i say is bullshit

                                                                            perhaps the meta does not suit his playstyle

                                                                            Y2aat

                                                                              Razor.

                                                                              With so many people jungling nowadays, you're pretty much against a 1 v 2 lineup. If support decides to zone you, link him n take his dmg and force him back. Good thing about link is that it lasts you pretty much how long the CD is. Anyways, if support goes to pull or for some reasons is out of position to help his carry, you can drain the carry's dmg. If support shows up, you can now use the added dmg against him.

                                                                              It is important you damage the person you don't steal from first (assuming you're outnumbered) because once you get rid of him, you're up against somebody who has 0 damage and is no longer able to kill you (hence you can choose to run or continue to fight).

                                                                              If they happen to be in a trilane, I would put more levels in Plasma Field because it can put out SO much damage (assuming the enemies are much lower leveled than you). Make sure you don't use Plasma Field when they are close, you want to use it to kill at the end when they're running away or to initiate from a far distance so it does the maximum damage.

                                                                              I hardly get the passive UNLESS I'm against multiple target skills and even then, I'd just get one level.

                                                                              My general build is 4 (plasma) 2 (link) 1 (passive) 0 (ult) by level 7 and 4-4-1-0 by level 9. I simply don't see my ults scaling well enough early game.

                                                                              Anyways, all that said, most important is to play smart and understand how your enemies match up to you. Since there's always a Void nowadays, you can simply take his damage.

                                                                              Sincerely,

                                                                              A Razor player who has gone from 4.7 to 5k in 2 weeks.

                                                                              Metallicize

                                                                                in pubs timber is king, really you can solo against 2 or even 3 heroes, and get a firstblood triple kill.

                                                                                karman

                                                                                  v
                                                                                  viper

                                                                                  Raffaello

                                                                                    Timber needs farm to be really effective, hence his low winrate recently when played competitively. Offlaners usually tend to be zoned out a lot and need to have some sort of recovery skills in order to cope with the first minutes of not gaining anything from the lane. Batrider's firefly fits this purpose perfectly, which is one great thing about Batrider. However, I don't think Timber has such a good skill that allows him to farm up real quick to make up for the first minutes of being zoned. Sure, in pubs, there is a good chance that the enemy will not run a trilane that will be able to zone out timber perfectly. Timber is deadweight when he has few farm imo.
                                                                                    I am no pro by any means, however that is the insight I'd think I have on this subject.

                                                                                    the realm's delight

                                                                                      lich

                                                                                      Julien

                                                                                        That's my list starting with the most solid offlaner first.

                                                                                        Broodmother (if enemy has no answer)
                                                                                        Faceless void
                                                                                        Earth Spirit
                                                                                        Tide
                                                                                        Legion Commander
                                                                                        Timbersaw
                                                                                        Bristleback
                                                                                        Centaur
                                                                                        Beastmaster (Dire)
                                                                                        Clockwerk
                                                                                        Dark Seer
                                                                                        Lich
                                                                                        Phoenix
                                                                                        Nature Prophet
                                                                                        Nyx Assassin
                                                                                        Mirana
                                                                                        Spirit Breaker
                                                                                        Windrunner

                                                                                        Guess list may be different for low level pubs where people might fail to exploit lousy hardlaners such as Windrunner, Mirana and Weaver.
                                                                                        That's how it stands for my games though.

                                                                                        Terror-Machine

                                                                                          Puck might be ok but he'd need some farm for blink I guess

                                                                                          Hex Sigma

                                                                                            Concede, if you wanna learn a new hero, you can try playing it on a smurf so you don't screw with your wr, kdas on your main acc.

                                                                                            MaTT

                                                                                              I find myself offlaning a variety of heroes that are not normally done.
                                                                                              Meepo
                                                                                              Earth Shaker
                                                                                              Jug
                                                                                              Sven
                                                                                              I love soloing Axe, a quick lv 6 and it is really easy to gank and get kills on the other lanes.

                                                                                              The thing people at my level don't realize(+3k) is that when you solo it's not too gets loads of farm it's to get a lvl advantage and gank, too make up for your lack of farm.

                                                                                              Metallicize

                                                                                                ^meepo solo is really easy to gank, against people with a brain he will feed.
                                                                                                and meepo without farm is sooo useless, but in 3k i can offlane with kunkka, pudge, slark and still win against a dual lane or even 3lane.
                                                                                                but what im trying to say, go meepo mid or safelane and get ez games.

                                                                                                MaTT

                                                                                                  In this case I had no choice of my position, a medusa and Life Stealer was last picked.

                                                                                                  Here is the game:
                                                                                                  http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/829065221
                                                                                                  It worked up too a point, if our carries had played better we would have won.
                                                                                                  Notice that Medusa never got Split-shot. Turns out is was a smurf account.

                                                                                                  Julien

                                                                                                    Lifestealer can hardlane better than meepo thanks to rage.
                                                                                                    Hell, even medusa used to be a hardlaner back in warcraft 3.
                                                                                                    Meepo is abysmal hardlaner.

                                                                                                    Dizzy

                                                                                                      Crystal maiden best offlaner

                                                                                                      MaTT

                                                                                                        I never said he was viable as a solo, just that I have had to do it.
                                                                                                        The game I linked was an example.
                                                                                                        Pubs are not known for their wisdom in laning. Life wanted too jungle and Medusa wanted safe lane. Rather than argue and start the game off with that, I just accepted it and did the best I could.