General DiscussionMeepo Help

So instead of asking for your losses to be analysed or even games which were evenly match, you ask people to analyse your STOMPS??????

It sounds like the worst way to improve yourself. Because you'll be adjusting your gameplay on how to play against fucking retards. Simply put, the advice you would receive will be mostly this;

1. improve micro 101
2. how to be extremely greedy against idiots 101

Step 2 will just set you up to play like an absolute idiot when you climb in MMR or play against players who aren't stupid.

what the fuck get off the pedestal and put proper games to be analysed.

Ask blunt

I want to know if I am playing correctly or not, am I using his skills properly. Am I making good use of his clones.
I feel those games show my skill with meepo, BUT with a complex hero like that I know for sure, I made many mistakes etc.
Also my Last Meepo losses where by no means caused by me.

ALSO those games did not start off as stomps! I feel those games are an accurate representation of my current level of skill as Meepo! I did state "Keep in mind that my mmr is low and that I am not that good at Dota and neither are the people I play with"
So I don't understand why you are so mad?

http://dotabuff.com/players/116848776/matches?date=&faction=&hero=meepo&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&duration=

Fine pick one and analyze it, if it makes you happy.
Note that many of those losses where not caused by me.

Also if you had actually watched the first game you would have seen that early game they had the advantage and more kills.

2 skadis give better stats than ethereal and heart together. If you're not gonna utilize ethereal's active well you shoudn't go that build. Or skadi instead of heart maybe.

Ignore that ragy kid man, just jealous of your games. You want me to help analyse? If you find my stats noob then its ok haha.

I'm not mad, I just sometimes talk like that. Anyway like I said, games where you end up far ahead are pointless because most of the advice you would obtain would be on how to further capitalize on lesser skilled players.

Anyway, I'm not the kind of person to do a in-game analysis like Havoc would.

My advice:
1. Improving micro (even n0tail makes micro mistakes). Meepo is far easier in the earlier stages of the game where it isn't a clusterfuck. Late game fights can be really challenging especially when you haven't snowballed. Without an edge its really easy to have one of your Meepos get picked off.

2. Improving farm. From your stats I can see your CS isn't bad but it can be improved. n0tail does stuff like double stacking using his Meepos to maximise his farm. When you split lane to farm with Meepo, do you blindly set your Meepos to autoattack pushout or do you micro them to get as much gold as possible. Are there moments where you have Meepos not doing anything?

3. Learn smartcast. Smartcast can be excused for other heroes but on Meepo you save a ridiculous amount of time doing stuff like blink poof or double/triple net from distance to catch someone. Think you do it fast? That means you can go faster.

4. Stop building big items before you get 6 slotted. Its pointless to build a heart first over another reaver because Meepo misses out on the additional bonuses it gives. Building heart first can be situational because of small buildup but you seem to go heart rush instead of reaver rush every game. Don't ever, ever build EoS. From a mathematical point of view, EB or Reavers are better. I'm too lazy to explain to the last detail but just compare EoS to EB, their cost and benefits.

5. Can't really advice you on decision making because it is really situational. You have the sense on your own because you different games have different objectives. Do you need to carry, gank, end fast or etc etc.

I normally get a reaver right after my blink, so that I don't die. I still battle to micro my clones in a large team battle, and the heart really helps. Does skadi stack with itself if you have 2? Also do your clones get bonus attack speed from treads or is it only the stats?
How good is Ac on Meepo, worth getting or not? I got the EB for the damage, if I go that build should I have got it earlier. I bought it as my last item.

Thanks

what blablablawizard said made sense. There is no reason to ask someone to look at games where you stomped by a mile. I mean, you are already doing well in that game so theres no reason to ask someone to find what you did wrong as there is technically nothing wrong. Obviously there will be things that you need to improve bla bla bla. But everyone has that in every game. No game is perfect, there is something to be improved on. But to find out about what things specifically, its better to ask someone to analyse a game that you lost in particular so you can identify specific misaktes etc that cost you that game.

side note, if you lose a game, you'll improve more if you take the losses yourself. Dont blame others for the loss. Especially in your mmr, if you can't carry your team, just assumed you didn't do as well as you should.

The reason why ppl build eos is because its a all rounder item. Sometimes you just dont need so much strength as 2 reaver or so much agil as a ethereal. So u bring the cost into 1 item to split up the agil and strength. In fact i only build reaver when i am not snowballing. Usually i will go scythe to snowball more. Which will then become a eos. And then ethereal. When you are snowballing, reaver is useless.

Clones get bonus aspd from treads because they themselves own the shoes.

Sometimes its better to get reaver before blink.

You pay an additional 2.3k for 15 str as opposed to 3.2k for 25 str. Mathematically, Reaver is more cost effective. There isn't much of a reason to rush Heart over reaver for a 900g distance unless a clutch teamfight is coming up that might cost the game.

Don't get AC on Meepo. Once again its maths here but I'm 2 lazy to explain. Not worth it, not cost effective.

EoS doesn't stack. EoS is stupid. You want stats? Get heart or eb, you want additional cc? Get a guinsoo. Bad item on Meepo. Once again, a matter of maths.

EDIT: It sounds like 75 stats overall sounds cost effective but heres the fucking problem. You don't need INT. Once you take that into account, it is INEFFECTIVE. BAD. WRONG. SHOO.

@ devaslaytion, would appreciate it!

I normally go aghs, blink, reaver, heart. Isn't the extra strength gains from the Heart worth finishing it rather than buying another reaver?
edit. Already answered the heart question

What is smartcast?

I just said why Heart isn't as effective as Reaver rush........... 15 str 2.3k vs 25 str 3.2k.

Smartcast means no clicking. You know how when you press net, the crosshair appears and you need to click again? Smartcast means the spell is cast wherever your mouse is.

Yes it makes a huge difference especially on Micro heroes where speed is everything. Imagine blink poof, imagine you could do it 5 clicks less. 5 whole clicks faster.

You are forgetting that not every game you get to farm up to 11k gold(hearts+eb) and if in those games you realise hey my meepo isnt dieing that easily probably because you are 3-5 lvls above enemies. Then you dont need that much strength. Thats when eos becomes cost effective. For 6k gold you get just enogh strength+agil dmg.

Yeah regarding what wizard says. Heart is not effective unless its a final item. But i dont think reaver rush is that good too unless you are having real trouble surviving. Or else just get a scythe, eos, eb first then complete your reaver into hearts as you last item. But then again if you have the time to 6slot, thats not v good too. As meepo you aim to end the game fast before enemy carries get to farm up. Once it hits pass the 45mins mark, meepo effectiveness decreases. Still good as a ratdota though.

Try not to have a fixed item build every single game. Look at each game and adapt. Ask are you having problems surviving? If yes reaver first. Are you snowballing alr? If yes get scythe or eb to snowball harder. Dont underestimate that lvl advantage. It makes you tanky even without items.

@ flyingpigs
I think you can attach some of the blame to your team mates, when your slart goes 2 - 17 or sven buys no items at the start of the game gives first blood and then buys a void stone.

I didn't say they where the reason we lost :) I said the losses where not caused by me i.e. I didn't feed etc. I am not good enough at Meepo to carry that well, yet :)

So rather get 2 reavers early game than 1 heart? I feel that I need the surviveability badly because my micro skills are not that good also I tend too initiate in the team battles with a blink-net-poof so my Main meepo gets targeted first.

Also how do you use Smartcast?

The passive on EoS is horrible on Meepo, you already have a slow/disable and anybody man fighting 5 Meepos gets out dpsed anyway. The bonus hp and mana are bad as well as they affect only a single Meepo. Pointless when theres 5 of them.

So that means the main part of EoS would be the stats point of view. First up, it want damage you always go for EB over anything else because it gives a total of 50 effective stats and a huge burst increase with blink poof. EoS gives 50 effective stats and mediocre additional benefits for 775g more. Its not cost effective already at this point.

"But hey, what if I want a mixture of both agility and strength?"

Lol no. Strength > Agility on Meepo. Doesn't make sense? It does. A huge portion of Meepo's damage comes purely from his skills. Poof and Geostrike. In other words, adding rightclick potential only increases your overall damage output by a meagre amount. You never ever prioritize agility over strength on Meepo. That is why the most legit buildup for Meepo is to almost always get Reaver. This plus the fact you're getting an item that is ineffective in its cost for Meepo????

@Axe, in your settings. There is an additional thing called quickcast, I just swap over all my hotkeys onto it in the exact same order.

EDIT: apologies if I seem aggressive in providing advice, just my personality.

you should be asking what's wrong with these games
http://dotabuff.com/matches/662718386
http://dotabuff.com/matches/656150581
http://dotabuff.com/matches/659248378

idk why you only want to ask for opinions on games you owned.. maybe you can tell us?

I did actually. No offense meant but did you read what I posted? I wont repeat myself :)

And I know what went wrong with those game

Game 1: Too many AoEs, messed us all up

Game 2: Got an invite by somebody, accepted only to see that I was on a server where had 300+ ping.

Game 3: Just one of those games, got outplayed. As you well know those games happen. Some wards would have been nice in that game though

"Too many AoE's, messed us all up" you shouldn't use this as a bailout for losing the game, if you genuinely want to improve you wouldn't focus on what the enemy team did, but how you reacted to it.

"Just one of those games, got outplayed" yes, these are exactly the games you should be looking to have reviewed and looked over, so in your next matches you can focus on minimising what got you "outplayed" the last time. You'd learn a lot more from it

I understand. That game we got outplayed it was less about how I played it was more about how the team raged at each other and couldn't work together. I feel it doesn't represent the level of skill I have with Meepo. It was one of those games that due to poor team work, poor item choices, lack of wards. Guaranteed a loss.

The game with all the AoE's taught me NOT to pick Meepo when they have so many AoE's :)

This axe dude thinks he is smart...

i think he's just baiting ppl to watch/fishing for compliments.

tbh people should stop bragging about unranked matches, any good player can just get 40 kills easily there.

Hey Axe, i have a few recommendations for your ideal meepo play style
1. Boots are always the z hot key for clones. therefore put blink on x or something else on you main meepo, and shoes on z.
2. tranquils meepo is okay, but powerteads are prefered since the tranquil nerf/change.
3. Aura items (late game items like AC, not basilius.) are terrible. go stat items to replace them

Ps. can you flash farm the jungle really quickly with your clones? that's the best thing about meepo.

Trolled by my little brother, Happy Hedgehog [ZA] :)
He is just jealous of my Meepo skillz :)

@ Arkangel
I like the tranquils for the hp and move speed, late game I get BoT's anyway. I can flash farm :)
The only reason I have those aura items is because I never bothered to sell them

@ Axe,bro game is hard,meepo is too hard to play,play nub charctors like I do