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TheRedemptionArc

    Team suck, I suck, I go into low priority team mates don't. I don't have a F about it anymore.

    So, i got 2 games. 1 i play axe with snapfire. Snapfire geets lvl 6 at min 17 then uses utls and fails and i decides to destroy my items so the game to end faster
    2nd game. I play ck offlane. Void spirit loses mid so hard and its toxic game and when the enemy destroys our mid racks i destroy items = low priortiy. Best team mates ever. Even my ursa says report ck who destroyed items and not void spirit anymore who is the worst player in the game.

    2nd game: match id: 6302534495 -> chaos knight
    1st game: match id: 6302162059 -> axe

    The "overwatch" masters needs to understand when it is possible to win a game with team mates that want to win and when it is not possible to win when team mates just don't UNDERSTAND each other. I'm fine wiht my deaths, i'm fine playing a losing game as long as my TEAM MATES play till the end and not some toxic sh*t. 1 game away from low prior out i had full page of losing streak. Lets see now what it is.

    Here's some good games as well:

    6302278833 -> snapfire 4
    6302441525 -> ck offlane also check this idiot enigma what is doing during laning phase
    6302490664 -> ck offlane heres a pure example of bad team mates. Some what mid/safe lane went well (i as always am bad), but later team just throws with useless fights.

    Im not the greatest players, but i HATE whenever sometihng could be done as a team is not done. I die a lot in lane which is bad and i know it.

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    idcmmriplay4fun

      bambooni is a toxic player

      alireza14

        U destroyed items = attention brought to yourself = higher chances of reports i know from experience, u can literally be the biggest ruiner, I had games where i feed 3-15 as mid laner dont say a word and dont get reported at all as they all end up fighting each other since im not the one giving them attention, and games where im 20/3 but eat 3 reports for flaming some ruining animals, there is no justice dont look for it only psychology.

        TheRedemptionArc

          why do i even bother explaining. Leopold is not going into low priority while i am and im playing in my own bracket. The difference in these games is that my team mates ruin early->mid game while i ruin late game after 20320 toxic words spoken to each other. Prime example is that ck game where my mmid void spiirt fed like a dog. And another example is my axe paired with snapfire. I don't mind my deathhs when im at fault i mind when something couldve been done as a team and is not done. I just don't understand my team mates thinking.
          Void spirit have really bad game, after a certain fight he buys back, I keep playing normal and i const chase necro to kill him. VS const saying gg or else and (his playing, but his being toxic to all since min 0 which THIS Is the problem). You can't expect your team mates to play at their best if u start flaming them after a couple of deaths. Then i decides to throw little by little and after mid racks fallen i've destroyed my items. And pay attention: I had team mates defending 5v4 without noticing me destroying items.

          I also had other game as marci. We push t1 top radiant tower and i put myself on a cliff near the triangle close to t2. Before the fight i PING 10 thousand times someone to come so i can come and fight. Guess what? My team mates does nothing to help me get out of the cliff. They proceed fightign 5v4 and lose the fight because they dont pay attention on mini map, it is my fault.
          Also people need to understand that there're certain games like my axe and ck games where i destroyed my items that it is a lost game. It doesn't matter if it is loss at 20 or 35 minutes. You just cant win a game with failed snap ult and lvl 6 snapfire at min 17. Or void spirit whose MORAL of playing the game is 0.

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          '96 Neve Campbell

            why do you play a TEAM game if you hate teamwork you stupid fucker bambooni more like stoopooni

            Blurrybob

              You deserve items = You deserve LP. As simple as that.

              Apipe

                Be like me Ursa offlane never destroy items, never complain, don't care about my team win or lose. I have never been in LP since the last LP update. :lick:

                Σnertia

                  Hey man, I'm gonna try and do you a favor coz nobody ever explicitly explained what you seem to be experiencing to me.

                  First of all, everything you've mentioned, is on purpose. You need to understand that fully, and accept it before moving forward. Otherwise you'll never have a different experience.

                  I spent the entire year this year, 2021, playing hundreds possibly thousands of matches, trying to attain normal behavior score, and when I say normal, I mean 10,000, the maximum. We're now at the end of 2021 AD, and that account has 1000 behavior score on it, at which point I finally gave up. Yes, indeed, I can sum up the behavior of low behavior score, Herald players as the following, since that's all I'm familiar with the last 7 years (in ranked roles, 900-7000 behavior score 300-1300 mmr):

                  -dying 1 by 1, often passed the river (isn't this common sense? i thought it was.)
                  -supports making it harder for the core to last hit in lane
                  -bizarre, complete disregard and not competitive at all picks before the game begins, like axe hard support, or oracle mid. One ranked match a few days ago on there , there was a witch doctor mid, this is ranked roles im talking about, and he died 20 times, never by his teammates, always alone doing stupid shit.

                  I'm 32, and i've been wasting my time with these people for a very long time. I finally had enough, and pulled the plug on that version of dota. I came on here yesterday, and i've been having such a better experience, with newer players too. In none of these unranked games are people spewing garbage in chat instead of playing dota, and sometimes they're not very good players, because they're new to the game, but display a modicum of common sense while playing, something those i'm familiar with don't do.

                  Second, you need to follow the rules. You're not allowed to break your items, and if you do, the automated system will indiscriminately perpetuate your shitty experience. Or buying amulet, or using toxic strings. Everything is automated, and nobody is gonna give a shit if you're having a bad time, if you jump off a bridge because of it, or how much time you've been experiencing it.

                  I Followed the rules I'd say, 90% of the time this year, and it didn't change my experience. Simply, I kept playing with the same people who did the same shit over and over and over same time same place every day for a year, and thus playing the game became pointless. There's nothing to learn, gain, no money to be made, and on top of it was miserable.

                  Lastly, you need to ask yourself why you're playing the game. YOu need to remind yourself that it is, in fact, just a game, and its primary purpose is for leisure.
                  In 3 months, i'll be able to play ranked again if i'm sitll having a good time on this account, and i'll have normal behavior score by then surely.

                  Just to recapitulate: i spent many years playing low behavior score low mmr, which is basically the worst possible people in the game....and had a very miserable time. The last week or so I've been playing unranked, and i'm playing regular dota, where everyone is participating normally, and communicating like normal people.

                  Hope this saves you time bro.

                  TheRedemptionArc

                    I hit 10k beh score and the games there was way worse than the time I was 6-8k score

                    Archaon

                      There are a lot of bad players in this game . There are unwinable games BUT at the end of the day u can take those games as a man and lose them or break items for some god knows what reason and get reported on top of it . There are a lot easyer ways to just wait out tiill ur team loses then it is to destroy items and get free trip to LP.

                      Farzad

                        @Bambooni This game designed to hurt players,bh score is bullshit,12 hours ban would be enough,like dude you just make a system to make players more toxic,what is wrong with banning people for 12 hours if they fucked up by destroying items? and just this no lp no bs(bullshit score)make mute system better,I don't get why still I see my muted teammate pings while I just MUTED TO IGNORE THEM COMPLETELY,valve devs are psychopaths,just play with your friends that's the best way to enjoy the game.

                        My bh is 10000 and I have never been in low priority for toxic behaviour but I understand OP ,you can't rehabilitate toxic players by giving them toxic environment.

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                        Σnertia

                          I'd break my items only under the worst conditions and gameplay. I think the intention was to be able to leave earlier, or show my teammates that their behavior was so bad it drove me to giving up.

                          In the first case, dying 20 times actually didn't change the length of time too much. And in the second, that's childlike immature thinking.

                          This dude summed it up nicely: "You can't rehabilitate toxicity with a toxic environment." I know from experience, a sample of 40,000+ matches . A punishment system is totally valid, but not this one. They obviously have skill with programming and creating a custom environment and rules, and can come up with something better. A system like this is really bad. And then it extends into matchmaking as well, which is more preposterous. Instead of matching low behavior score players against high behavior score players, if that's how they want it set up, low players should play against other low players.

                          Cotton has the right idea: from experience, you're better off waiting 10-20 minutes to leave peacefully, then doing something to attract reports which will shave off days of time. It's a matter of some minute compared to many hours and days to make up for it, behavior score wise.

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                          ScaredyCat

                            Toxicity exist in all brackets, just that in mmr below 2k and mmr above 6k there is less toxicity as games are more predictable and lesser chance of smurfs or acc buyers. If you think that having low behaviour score will help you win more games then go ahead.

                            The matchmaking system selects based on rank, the only difference is how these players are being calibrated. So in the long run the main difference is when patch changes and people are unable to adapt. Im safe becoz the hero i always use is always strong no matter the patch and is stronger under the current patch. Your most played hero which is NP has almost all the time been weak so you are a good player, but unable to win games coz you are using a shit hero.

                            TheRedemptionArc

                              Well I can also say prophet is my worst hero as well. Most of the games are either from the old low prior system or just jungle. If I've bad game on him consider me being useless. Also I can play any hero and to me whether it's prophet or not it doesn't matter.