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General DiscussionWatching your replay is a joke right?

Watching your replay is a joke right? in General Discussion
Johnny Silvercock

    What does watching your own replay actually do?

    If you got caught out then so what? You predicted wrong. You can't learn that it's intuition.

    If you built the wrong item build then maybe but how can you know for sure? Also, if you're like me you tend to go cookie cutter build every game and have no issue in teamfights.

    I watch my replay and I see tons of mistakes but those mistakes are weird. Like they are a result of bad decision making. How are you supposed to fix that? I.E. reading a situation wrong? I should have joined that teamfight? How would I know next game? Conditions are always changing.

    To me, watching replays is just a way to make yourself realize that you make mistakes. But if you already are aware of it then what's the point?

    '96 Neve Campbell

      Are you talking to yourself?

      Johnny Silvercock

        Not anymore!

        kowareta

          every thing is a joke, were all jokers here

          '96 Neve Campbell

            kowa ur lycan is even worse in person than I thought it would be nice

            kowareta

              indeed

              100% oran jus

                yes watch pro players replay better or ppl who simply higher mmr than u

                TheRedemptionArc

                  Watching replays can improve your gameplay. You'll simply start to noticing what mistakes you're making and naturally you'll fix them. The only problem in pub vs pro team is that you play vs different humans. Also as u said decision making is different. Just answer yourself: Why i got cought here and died, what move i did before dying, how can i fix that and so on. I bet you're doing a lot more mistakes than decision making a.k.a basics. Every game is the same. If i cant farm here I'll farm else, if enemy team is missing where should i be or where the enemy is, should i fight now, should i back.

                  Ad.Goku™(tv/adgoku24)

                    There's a difference between "watching your own replays" and "learning from your replays".

                    "If you got caught out then so what? You predicted wrong. You can't learn that it's intuition."
                    -Every decision you make in game is based on information you receive. Don't just blankly watch your own replays. While watching replay, question yourself on those decisions.
                    If you predict something wrong, then you have to know what lead you to making that play.

                    "To me, watching replays is just a way to make yourself realize that you make mistakes. But if you already are aware of it then what's the point?"
                    - Well realizing you make mistakes is good, but have you tried rectifying them? If you keep making same mistakes every game then you aren't really learning from your replays.

                    Dota 2 is a real-time strategy game. That implies you have to keep improvising your strategies throughout game.
                    Doesn't matter what you think, every decision in game is based on information available to you. If you keep making too many bad decisions, that doesn't imply "How would I know next game? Conditions are always changing." It simply means either you are bad at reading game OR have no map/game awareness OR are just bad at processing information. All of which can be improved by not just watching replays but "LEARNING" from them. Better yet if you compare your replays with better players.

                    OR you can just blame your teammates for your bad plays. That seems to be the easy way out anyways.

                    Sir

                      watching replays can be amazing, but if you are very new to the game its to early to do this.
                      it makes no sense to go to deep into analyzing your plays before you even know how to play.

                      Johnny Silvercock

                        You bring valid points. I suppose you can simply guess and check. Whereby next time you see how new strategy applies where before you would have kept using the other strategy.

                        Maybe the game is formulaic enough for that to work.

                        Hatrið mun sigra

                          Of course it is. The game having many variables and being complex doesn't mean every match is completely random and unpredictable, there are just MANY different scenarios but it's the same game, same 111 heroes, items and dynamics. There are always patterns. You can group them up in main sub-categories, like "late game lineup vs early game lineup", "pushing team vs greedy cores", "X core strong if farmed but countered by Y item and ganks" for example. Try to understand in what category the match you're in falls already in the picking phase and you'll have a general idea on what to pick, how to itemize and what game pace is convenient for your team. Keep thinking about such things also when playing, what changed in the laning phase, what items you need and whatnot. When the game ends and you see you had no impact, fed alot, didn't accomplish what your hero/role was requested to, then you can rewatch the game to look for mistakes, by keeping in mind the whole picture of the match. I never analyze replays 'cause I have this thing set in my brain while I'm playing already and can spot right away if I'm farming like a 1k, should hurry up and end, always checking enemies' inventory, basically constantly overthinking (as if it wasn't enough irl lmao), but post-game analysis is indeed useful. I just wonder what the point is if you're not gonna get anything practical out of this game, like a career, money or something, but if you really care for the sake of improving then it's worth it.

                          kowareta

                            the trick is watching games you dont remember what happened in them any more. like after a week or so.
                            the point of watching replays is realizing what went wrong. if u know what went wrong already there is no need for it. like i never done that, there is million things i know im dong wrong.

                            ReHa

                              low skills wont improve watching replays because they have no idea what they did wrong

                              Ad.Goku™(tv/adgoku24)

                                ^^ Skills has little to do as compared to having a functional brain when analyzing stuff.

                                I had a friend(herald 4 something) who was playing doom, and he used his doom only 8 times in a 35mins game 1 of which was used on a creep. We were playing in a 4 man stack, everyone saw him do that, but he thought we were trolling him. We had to force him to sit through a replay to show him that he fucked up.

                                From herald upto ancient, I daresay, there are so many players who don't even notice that they fucked up and just shift blame on other players for their own misplays.

                                The thing with improving is, once you start correcting your own plays, your skill grows which in turn enables you to fine tune your plays too(slowly albeit) without guidance. Guidance is just a boost to the rate at which you improve.
                                But then again, all of this requires two very important things, i.e. a normal functioning brain and ability to be critical of yourself.

                                kowareta

                                  yeah, like i didnt know huskar ult dispels till some anshit dude told me that. didnt even noticed my stun not working on him as supposed to do with venge KEKL

                                  i blame valve for not putting these stuffs in descriptions.

                                  TheRedemptionArc

                                    i remember when i played doom when his devour was changed that u need to press cltr+q was it in order to steal a neutral creep ability. I did this multiple times until i released how its done :D. Before doom's devour change was what ever creep you eat you steal his ability and now you can remain with 1 neutrals ability all game