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MuLLi

    Just wonder why so many ancient< players think they know everything about playing Treant when they have zero games as it

    Acoon ak'mp Put in

      Because there's nothing much to know about playing Treant?

      Prime

        Becouse my mechanics are 10x better than yours
        Becouse my game understanding,coordination,decisions are 10x better than yours. How do you know that i never played treant? This is like 5-6th acc that i have. I know to play every single hero in this game - some great,some not so good,but i know how to play any hero decently and need like 10-15 games of same hero to get good feeling and to start playing it good. i played treant ( and still play it on d1) before you even know that he existed.
        Now shut your 2k trash mouth and stop embarrasing yourself by writing here.

        MuLLi

          I have met people so delusional that they claim winning 90% of games by Treant pos 5 in 2k while average win rate is 48%

          Why people are so delusional?

          MuLLi

            It is not possible to win 90% as pos 5 treant even some PRO player try it

            MuLLi

              Here is one of best Treant player in the world "EHOME.y` [Innocence]"

              If he would play pos 5 Treant 2k I'm pretty sure he would not win over 90% of games anonymously and playing strictly pos 5

              kowareta

                i think ur life lack sth and im just gonna give it to u.

                YES MULLI U ARE RIGHT.

                Farzad

                  @nidza cause in general you are a piece of shit

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                  Prime

                    We all 5k+ are pieces of shits. Long live crusaders!!

                    MuLLi

                      ^No u are no piece of shit but u are delusional!

                      If u make claims like u could win over 90% of games as strict pos 5 treant in 2k u truly are delusional

                      MuLLi

                        We have this Kowareta boy here who also liked to tell me how to play Treant but found out he is worse than me and quit.

                        There is no shame to give respect for someone who have more experience than u.

                        MuLLi

                          When U come to tell your daddy how to make babies =D Boyz u had once p¨¨ussy pls be silent

                          kowareta

                            u know, my smurf has 2k behavior score and games are unplayable
                            i got a lot of 1v1 mid challenges, i never accept any of them, yeah ppl calling me pu$sy, but idc about what dogs barking.
                            once i said fuck it and i accepted 1v1. i first picked and i won still the guy couldnt shut his fucking mouth up.
                            ppl like u mulli, cant shut their mouth no matter what. thats it. if some one play treant and win 10/10
                            u still cant shut ur mouth.

                            MuLLi

                              ^U won as smurf 50% with Treant so pls nööÖb s¨¨tfu before u know how to play. Your father must appreciate when u come to bed room and tell how to make more Kowaretas

                              Saya Tidak Takut, Hadapi ...

                                Holy shit a crusader is allowed to make threads like this?

                                주 롄양

                                  ^Db needs to limit chance for stupid ppl to show off their stupidness

                                  thisbe666

                                    lol

                                    MuLLi

                                      North Korea for ever dudes!!!

                                      MuLLi

                                        2019 we still have people trying to suppress right to speak. How I'm not surprised about they origin from Asia. Must be NK+China lovers or just best humans

                                        MuLLi

                                          Maybe there is reason why EU is pretty much higher in dota and human rights. Just maybe LOL

                                          Tu tayta

                                            A daily perusal of DB threads and facebook posts makes me not wonder why some people willingly support suppressing rights to speak...but that's a topic for another day.

                                            On topic: Do you really believe that random guy's account with 0 games on X hero truly means they have never played the hero? In this day and age?

                                            MuLLi

                                              Ofc some have smurfs for those heroes and have played these heroes in lower bracket. Playing some heroes in lower bracket to learn em is norm for dota 2019.

                                              Still there is mentality in people which are higher in mmr that they know everything just because medal and that is totally delusional

                                              MuLLi

                                                Let say u have some guy who have done job for 5000h and another guy who have higher diploma about doing it but he is fresh from school without any real experience about it. Ofc he have seen some guys doing it or their teached have done it couple times in front of em and they have tried it for 1h.

                                                Which one knows more about subject?

                                                MuLLi

                                                  People tend to think dota is somehow different from real world rules

                                                  MuLLi

                                                    On topic: Do you really believe that random guy's account with 0 games on X hero truly means they have never played the hero? In this day and age?

                                                    People tend to believe I'm Crusader when they see my medal very rare question it so yes people like to stay on noun facts

                                                    MuLLi

                                                      So If I say I'm PRO/Immortal would this topic be any different? No! It is still same topic. My medal have really nothing to do with topic

                                                      cursed by Gaben

                                                        if you're 3 digit mmr,,,, my suggestion for you is to create a new account and start spamming Treant if u think ur skill level is above divine; and stop playing normal games, cuz nobody take it serious with bunch of leavers.

                                                        TBH, playing pos5 in ur bracket is pointless, any draft is possible to win. Start playing when u calibrated around 2.8-3K.

                                                        boring personality

                                                          Playing in the 2k bracket is literally easier than playing against the hardest difficulty of bots. I wish I was joking.

                                                          Fuka suginai o nīchan

                                                            Dont know how old you are, but why even ask pointless questions like that.
                                                            Well your medal actaully has something to do with it.
                                                            Medals/mmr doesnt exist without a reason, it ranks your skill lvl and understanding of dota. And if you have like 800 treant games or 4k games overall and you are still crusader, then this means yoou do smth wrong.

                                                            Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                                              1: People usually have several accounts as nidza highlighted so the 0 games argument doesn't stand
                                                              2: Treant's specific mechanics don't need much mechanical training as opposed to invoker by example
                                                              3: Map awareness, decision making, positioning and mana management are enough to use the hero at 90% at nidza highlighted (shall I split with meme hammer ? shall I heal my mid getting ganked ? [...])
                                                              4: By playing against a good treant you can easily assimilate and copy his patterns

                                                              ____er-man

                                                                am i the only one who feel that treant is hard to use?

                                                                Bedge

                                                                  Dotabuff needs a forum section for blue stars.

                                                                  DC.MASON

                                                                    you can have basic grasp on what you're supposed to do with a hero without playing it

                                                                    not only that, it's almost mandatory to get up in mmr

                                                                    Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                                                      Specially on heroes with a low skillcap...

                                                                      kowareta

                                                                        https://www.dotabuff.com/players/347595038
                                                                        this is why buddy. this is why u are living on moon. this is why im telling u are archon treant. look at this mothe faka

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                                                                        Marshall may have Mathered

                                                                          i mean amount of games matters and all but dont be the retard that says ah u hav much less gmaes at hero than me i have 200 so im 200IQ

                                                                          remember that guy who had like 2000 games of undying or some shit and went void stone first into aghs every game?

                                                                          JDF8

                                                                            ur a retard any dogshit 5k player would win 8/10 games in 2k as tree minimum

                                                                            DemonicTrashcan

                                                                              MuLLiPullervO
                                                                              "Let say u have some guy who have done job for 5000h and another guy who have higher diploma about doing it but he is fresh from school without any real experience about it. Ofc he have seen some guys doing it or their teached have done it couple times in front of em and they have tried it for 1h.

                                                                              Which one knows more about subject?"

                                                                              Ah now I'm starting to understand why you're having a mental breakdown over your perceived skill-barrier with Treant. You've mistakenly conflated specific hero mastery to other life skills and are under the impression that time-spent-learning is the greatest factor in your skill level.

                                                                              But playing Treant Protector and playing Ember Spirit aren't two different fields of science, one isn't nuclear engineering and the other biochemistry, they are both heroes in DotA. It's much more like they're two subjects within the same field. A field biologist studying a specific species of wolf for example, and as they learned more from researching said wolf, this could cause a learning cascade where the knowledge gained can then be applied to other wolf species and accelerates their holistic understanding of wolves as a whole.

                                                                              This is why when you get better at the game, (you jump 500-1000 MMR, a notable increase in skill,) you can go back and play your old favorite heroes, and without ever having practiced them once during your climb, you will play them far better than you ever did. No matter how good you thought your Juggernaut or what-have-you was when you were 2k, once you're 3k your average Juggernaut performance is better than your peak-performance 2k Jugg.

                                                                              You need to realize that your conceptual understanding of the game as a whole is clearly crap, as otherwise you wouldn't be stuck in Crusader no matter whom you were playing. You will never be able to "master" Treant if you're playing at such a low skill level, as you clearly don't understand the game enough to play literally anything at a high level of mastery.

                                                                              Did you even watch the DotA Alchemy video i linked you in your last crying thread? Treant is a huge threat in top level pubs. You're holding your hands over your ears refusing to listen to anyone because you're so wrapped up in defending your ego, trying to convince yourself it's not your fault that you can't climb.

                                                                              But hey, you're probably going to ignore my advice here too and continue to make new threads to cry in.

                                                                              DotA advice aside, I honestly suggest some therapy. The fact that your inability to climb as Treant seems to emotionally impact you so much, (you make threads almost daily to complain in,) and that your ego is so fragile that you've constructed this entire narrative just to defend it makes me concerned for your mental health. You've developed some sort of incredibly powerful inferiority complex that seems to consume a lot of your time/emotional energy, you should get help for that.

                                                                              kowareta

                                                                                Still there is mentality in people which are higher in mmr that they know everything just because medal and that is totally delusional

                                                                                im just wonder, is there any moment in mulli life that he admit he is wrong in any subject? wonderful

                                                                                MuLLi

                                                                                  @DemonicTrashcan Yes ofc I watched alchemy. Isn't this good therapy site =D

                                                                                  U might have some wisdom buried on that holistic knowledge about game and I need to think that everything I have tried to learn so far failed. So my knowledge about game must be under Crusader and just by spamming small group of heroes I have managed to get Crusader. So maybe I'm really this Heraldian still and Heraldians doesn't enjoy being outside of Heraldian kingdom.

                                                                                  @Kowareta Ofc there is none =D

                                                                                  Bedge

                                                                                    Why are people replying to known retard's threads?

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                                                                                      Why people with 0 games with some hero think they know how to play it?
                                                                                      WHY PEOPLE WITH 0 GAMES WITH SOME HERO THINK THEY KNOW HOW TO PLAY IT? IN GENERAL DISCUSSION
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      Just wonder why so many ancient< players think they know everything about playing Treant when they have zero games as it

                                                                                      Acoon ak'mp
                                                                                      Acoon ak'mpa day ago
                                                                                      Because there's nothing much to know about playing Treant?

                                                                                      nidza
                                                                                      nidza a day ago
                                                                                      Becouse my mechanics are 10x better than yours
                                                                                      Becouse my game understanding,coordination,decisions are 10x better than yours. How do you know that i never played treant? This is like 5-6th acc that i have. I know to play every single hero in this game - some great,some not so good,but i know how to play any hero decently and need like 10-15 games of same hero to get good feeling and to start playing it good. i played treant ( and still play it on d1) before you even know that he existed.
                                                                                      Now shut your 2k trash mouth and stop embarrasing yourself by writing here.

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      I have met people so delusional that they claim winning 90% of games by Treant pos 5 in 2k while average win rate is 48%

                                                                                      Why people are so delusional?

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      It is not possible to win 90% as pos 5 treant even some PRO player try it

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      Here is one of best Treant player in the world "EHOME.y` [Innocence]"

                                                                                      If he would play pos 5 Treant 2k I'm pretty sure he would not win over 90% of games anonymously and playing strictly pos 5

                                                                                      Kowareta
                                                                                      Kowaretaa day ago
                                                                                      i think ur life lack sth and im just gonna give it to u.

                                                                                      YES MULLI U ARE RIGHT.

                                                                                      Ferry
                                                                                      Ferry a day ago
                                                                                      @nidza cause in general you are a piece of shit

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                                                                                      nidza
                                                                                      nidza a day ago
                                                                                      We all 5k+ are pieces of shits. Long live crusaders!!

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      ^No u are no piece of shit but u are delusional!

                                                                                      If u make claims like u could win over 90% of games as strict pos 5 treant in 2k u truly are delusional

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      We have this Kowareta boy here who also liked to tell me how to play Treant but found out he is worse than me and quit.

                                                                                      There is no shame to give respect for someone who have more experience than u.

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      When U come to tell your daddy how to make babies =D Boyz u had once p¨¨ussy pls be silent

                                                                                      Kowareta
                                                                                      Kowaretaa day ago
                                                                                      u know, my smurf has 2k behavior score and games are unplayable
                                                                                      i got a lot of 1v1 mid challenges, i never accept any of them, yeah ppl calling me pu$sy, but idc about what dogs barking.
                                                                                      once i said fuck it and i accepted 1v1. i first picked and i won still the guy couldnt shut his fucking mouth up.
                                                                                      ppl like u mulli, cant shut their mouth no matter what. thats it. if some one play treant and win 10/10
                                                                                      u still cant shut ur mouth.

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      ^U won as smurf 50% with Treant so pls nööÖb s¨¨tfu before u know how to play. Your father must appreciate when u come to bed room and tell how to make more Kowaretas

                                                                                      Saya Tidak Takut, Hadapi ...
                                                                                      Saya Tidak Takut, Hadapi ...a day ago
                                                                                      Holy shit a crusader is allowed to make threads like this?

                                                                                      Legion KKOMRADE
                                                                                      Legion KKOMRADE a day ago
                                                                                      ^Db needs to limit chance for stupid ppl to show off their stupidness

                                                                                      desire
                                                                                      desire a day ago
                                                                                      lol

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      North Korea for ever dudes!!!

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      2019 we still have people trying to suppress right to speak. How I'm not surprised about they origin from Asia. Must be NK+China lovers or just best humans

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      Maybe there is reason why EU is pretty much higher in dota and human rights. Just maybe LOL

                                                                                      Tu tayta
                                                                                      Tu tayta a day ago
                                                                                      A daily perusal of DB threads and facebook posts makes me not wonder why some people willingly support suppressing rights to speak...but that's a topic for another day.

                                                                                      On topic: Do you really believe that random guy's account with 0 games on X hero truly means they have never played the hero? In this day and age?

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      Ofc some have smurfs for those heroes and have played these heroes in lower bracket. Playing some heroes in lower bracket to learn em is norm for dota 2019.

                                                                                      Still there is mentality in people which are higher in mmr that they know everything just because medal and that is totally delusional

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      Let say u have some guy who have done job for 5000h and another guy who have higher diploma about doing it but he is fresh from school without any real experience about it. Ofc he have seen some guys doing it or their teached have done it couple times in front of em and they have tried it for 1h.

                                                                                      Which one knows more about subject?

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      People tend to think dota is somehow different from real world rules

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      On topic: Do you really believe that random guy's account with 0 games on X hero truly means they have never played the hero? In this day and age?
                                                                                      People tend to believe I'm Crusader when they see my medal very rare question it so yes people like to stay on noun facts

                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervOa day ago
                                                                                      So If I say I'm PRO/Immortal would this topic be any different? No! It is still same topic. My medal have really nothing to do with topic

                                                                                      ヒノカミ神楽
                                                                                      ヒノカミ神楽 a day ago
                                                                                      if you're 3 digit mmr,,,, my suggestion for you is to create a new account and start spamming Treant if u think ur skill level is above divine; and stop playing normal games, cuz nobody take it serious with bunch of leavers.

                                                                                      TBH, playing pos5 in ur bracket is pointless, any draft is possible to win. Start playing when u calibrated around 2.8-3K.

                                                                                      Tashikametai Nukumori
                                                                                      Tashikametai Nukumori a day ago
                                                                                      Playing in the 2k bracket is literally easier than playing against the hardest difficulty of bots. I wish I was joking.

                                                                                      Fuka suginai o nīchan
                                                                                      Fuka suginai o nīchan a day ago
                                                                                      Dont know how old you are, but why even ask pointless questions like that.
                                                                                      Well your medal actaully has something to do with it.
                                                                                      Medals/mmr doesnt exist without a reason, it ranks your skill lvl and understanding of dota. And if you have like 800 treant games or 4k games overall and you are still crusader, then this means yoou do smth wrong.

                                                                                      Sygma.Pride ~
                                                                                      Sygma.Pride ~a day ago
                                                                                      1: People usually have several accounts as nidza highlighted so the 0 games argument doesn't stand
                                                                                      2: Treant's specific mechanics don't need much mechanical training as opposed to invoker by example
                                                                                      3: Map awareness, decision making, positioning and mana management are enough to use the hero at 90% at nidza highlighted (shall I split with meme hammer ? shall I heal my mid getting ganked ? [...])
                                                                                      4: By playing against a good treant you can easily assimilate and copy his patterns

                                                                                      babykuku
                                                                                      babykuku a day ago
                                                                                      am i the only one who feel that treant is hard to use?

                                                                                      EmptyJar
                                                                                      EmptyJar a day ago
                                                                                      Dotabuff needs a forum section for blue stars.

                                                                                      mountains are merely moun...
                                                                                      mountains are merely moun... 23 hours ago
                                                                                      you can have basic grasp on what you're supposed to do with a hero without playing it

                                                                                      not only that, it's almost mandatory to get up in mmr

                                                                                      Sygma.Pride ~
                                                                                      Sygma.Pride ~23 hours ago
                                                                                      Specially on heroes with a low skillcap...

                                                                                      Kowareta
                                                                                      Kowareta22 hours ago
                                                                                      https://www.dotabuff.com/players/347595038
                                                                                      this is why buddy. this is why u are living on moon. this is why im telling u are archon treant. look at this mothe faka

                                                                                      This comment was edited 22 hours ago
                                                                                      Marshall doesn't Mather
                                                                                      Marshall doesn't Mather 21 hours ago
                                                                                      i mean amount of games matters and all but dont be the retard that says ah u hav much less gmaes at hero than me i have 200 so im 200IQ

                                                                                      remember that guy who had like 2000 games of undying or some shit and went void stone first into aghs every game?

                                                                                      deeply challenged
                                                                                      deeply challenged19 hours ago
                                                                                      ur a retard any dogshit 5k player would win 8/10 games in 2k as tree minimum

                                                                                      DemonicTrashcan
                                                                                      DemonicTrashcan 18 hours ago
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      "Let say u have some guy who have done job for 5000h and another guy who have higher diploma about doing it but he is fresh from school without any real experience about it. Ofc he have seen some guys doing it or their teached have done it couple times in front of em and they have tried it for 1h.

                                                                                      Which one knows more about subject?"

                                                                                      Ah now I'm starting to understand why you're having a mental breakdown over your perceived skill-barrier with Treant. You've mistakenly conflated specific hero mastery to other life skills and are under the impression that time-spent-learning is the greatest factor in your skill level.

                                                                                      But playing Treant Protector and playing Ember Spirit aren't two different fields of science, one isn't nuclear engineering and the other biochemistry, they are both heroes in DotA. It's much more like they're two subjects within the same field. A field biologist studying a specific species of wolf for example, and as they learned more from researching said wolf, this could cause a learning cascade where the knowledge gained can then be applied to other wolf species and accelerates their holistic understanding of wolves as a whole.

                                                                                      This is why when you get better at the game, (you jump 500-1000 MMR, a notable increase in skill,) you can go back and play your old favorite heroes, and without ever having practiced them once during your climb, you will play them far better than you ever did. No matter how good you thought your Juggernaut or what-have-you was when you were 2k, once you're 3k your average Juggernaut performance is better than your peak-performance 2k Jugg.

                                                                                      You need to realize that your conceptual understanding of the game as a whole is clearly crap, as otherwise you wouldn't be stuck in Crusader no matter whom you were playing. You will never be able to "master" Treant if you're playing at such a low skill level, as you clearly don't understand the game enough to play literally anything at a high level of mastery.

                                                                                      Did you even watch the DotA Alchemy video i linked you in your last crying thread? Treant is a huge threat in top level pubs. You're holding your hands over your ears refusing to listen to anyone because you're so wrapped up in defending your ego, trying to convince yourself it's not your fault that you can't climb.

                                                                                      But hey, you're probably going to ignore my advice here too and continue to make new threads to cry in.

                                                                                      DotA advice aside, I honestly suggest some therapy. The fact that your inability to climb as Treant seems to emotionally impact you so much, (you make threads almost daily to complain in,) and that your ego is so fragile that you've constructed this entire narrative just to defend it makes me concerned for your mental health. You've developed some sort of incredibly powerful inferiority complex that seems to consume a lot of your time/emotional energy, you should get help for that.

                                                                                      Kowareta
                                                                                      Kowareta18 hours ago
                                                                                      Still there is mentality in people which are higher in mmr that they know everything just because medal and that is totally delusional

                                                                                      im just wonder, is there any moment in mulli life that he admit he is wrong in any subject? wonderful
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO
                                                                                      MuLLiPullervO8 hours ago
                                                                                      @DemonicTrashcan Yes ofc I watched alchemy. Isn't this good therapy site =D

                                                                                      U might have some wisdom buried on that holistic knowledge about game and I need to think that everything I have tried to learn so far failed. So my knowledge about game must be under Crusader and just by spamming small group of heroes I have managed to get Crusader. So maybe I'm really this Heraldian still and Heraldians doesn't enjoy being outside of Heraldian kingdom.

                                                                                      @Kowareta Ofc there is none =D

                                                                                      EmptyJar
                                                                                      EmptyJar 19 minutes ago
                                                                                      Why are people replying to known retard's threads?

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                                                                                      smurfs = no balls

                                                                                        pls mods ban this damn stupid monkey thank you

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                                                                                        MuLLi

                                                                                          ^agreed. Copy pasta need to be banned