xd everytime he kills someone with his ult it should add 50 perma damage to his ult and he should also have a +150 gold at level 15 :)))
Drow makes Timber's passive useless, and his passive his one of his most important aspects. Factor in that Drow is the current #2 most popular hero, I'd say not without a Drow ultimate rework.
-Increase his starting armor by 2
-Change his 3rd, instead 25 stack to reach biggest potensial, it should been 15 stack or something
-Change his talent because his talent suck
His Passive has to be rework. He needs more stats per lvl and some great buff 4ulti.
The whole armor mechanic needs to go - he needs extra base armor/regen.
+9 base armor > 14 total armor lvl 25 (not abusive) and gives him 7 starting armor.
+1.65 health regen > 3.75 lvl 1 > 10.47 lvl 25 (not abusive at all)
Rework passive into:
Each instance of hero damage (attacks/spells) trigger a charge of overheat, increasing damage received by 3-4-5-6% and increasing mana costs by by 3-5-7-9% - maximum charges 5 (so 15/30% received increase and 15/45% mana cost increase).
Increasing the mana cost also increases the damage by the same amount - 45% maximum damage increase - doesn't apply to items.
Each stack lasts 7 seconds.
Reaching maximum overheat activates Meltdown
Can be activated to gain Meltdown for 7 seconds ; puts passive ability on cooldown for 20 seconds.
Meltdown transforms Timbersaws' three over spells:
- Whirling death into Sizzling Demise > trees damage doubled from 12/40 to 24/80.
- Timber Chain into Cable Crash > +10% of travel distance to damage (how far the chain goes not when he hits you)
- Chakram into Igneous Chakram (from Ignus from Agni - Indian "God of fire" also where the Chakram is from) > Chakram pierces spell immunity.
Basically very high burst damage after correct placement/timing instead of simply stacking armor like an autist.
Sounds a little too poweful to me. The way to make Timbersaw viable is just to buff his existing kit and rework his talents. Perhaps giving him higher strength/int growth as well cause both are low. The hero has always been a situational pick and I dont think a rework is necessary apart from maybe his passive which is lacklustre in the current meta. Honestly reducing his cooldowns/mana and increasing his spell damage by around 10-20% would be enough to make him a strong situational pick like he historically was.
I would say his main issue is definately strength growth though. Timbersaw only has 2.9 gain. If you compare that to meta offlaners such as Axe (3.4), Brew (3.7), Cent (4.4), Tiny (4.1), Tusk (3.9) then its obvious that timber is lacking. Even heros you dont think of as tanky such as Earth Spirit (4) and Dark Seer (3.1) have far higher gain. Timber’s strength gain is the same as Naga Siren and Batrider! Heros which arent supposed to be durable offlaners!
Yeah with that math the Whirling deaths with 5 trees under meltdown would deal 841 pure damage on top of the stats reduction. I'm just fucking around.
Agree with above; I don't think Axe is meta considering how ridiculously OP his very hard counter is (Drow). He has been pretty good the last couple patches but perhaps a bit more niche now.
Problem is the majority of his changes over the last year have nerfed the hero. He can get more stacks of his passive, but each stack is worth less, therefore in almost all scenarios you're healing less and taking more damage. His whirling death can deal more damage if you hit a lot of trees, but if you get less than 3 trees you deal a lot less damage than you used to.
Its like they unintentionally nerfed him when he was already a situational pick. He needs a good buff to become relevant again.
Right now timber is only valid as a last pick mid it feels like, yet he falls off quick, extremly item dependent, he cant take towers, problems pushing highground.
I think timber is either broken as fuck or a trash can. Also the meta right now doesnt favor timber at all, some buffs and a meta that favors him = broken as fuck. = nerfed to trash can.
timbersaw isnt an offlaner. He has been a last pick mid for a long time, to counter specific heros.
With his current passive spirit vessel makes him almost unplayable
just buy greaves and lotus orb to dispel the stupid stuff
he can play offlane as long enemy lane is weak
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Is there anyway to make timbersaw viable again without reworking the hero? He has got buffed several patches in a row but still has the lowest win rate. 40% even in 5K +. Timber is a fun hero to play but mostly just feels useless. To slow to come online and even then does nothing. What buff can make him relevant again?