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General DiscussionImprovising as a carry.

Improvising as a carry. in General Discussion
BeoWulf

    I play mostly carry roles and thanks to the advice I got from the forums have been able to adapt to various situations such as buying my own wards, making certain items for certain heroes such as MKB for PA, Mjolnir for PL, etc. and BKB or Linkens (depending on what the opposing team is composed of).

    Question is what do you do when that item that is required is really not suitable for your hero...such as:-

    1. when you need to make an orchid for storm?
    2. a hex for medusa or troll?

    Do you go ahead to make these items even if you are a PA or drow or juggernaut if your team doesn't have it? Or is there some other way to improvise?

    I've figured out the counters to most of the other carries, whether I can make the items on time is another matter haha. Just the above 3 heroes really giving me a tough time. Any advice is appreciated, thanks.

    Feachairu

      if your hero can make use of bloodthorn like pl maybe go orchid

      why not basher if you want to deal with storm?

      im not rly sure how does hex deals with medusa,and you dont rly go hex for troll i guess

      mute all

        orchid for storm is a must if you want to kill supports early game and can still upgrade for better item/pressure side lanes..
        hex for medussa and troll are a bit of desperate item build if youre team doesnt lack damage but need some lockdown..not really good item choice for agi carry tho..

        Feachairu

          wait isnt he saying hes using pa or something?

          Cheap Laugh Guy

            Blink Abyssal later if you wanna catch Storm

            I don't see how Hex counters Medusa and Troll; Halberd isn't that hard to build so let your team buy it.

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            BeoWulf

              That's the problem though...those items dont really synergize with carries...things like hex and orchid.

              Medusa ...if no hex can't approach them if they have skadi n you don't have a support like lion or shaman.
              Troll...same thing and getting permabashed.

              I've had many games where we were ahead but lost when a farmed medusa or troll came out after 25-30 mins 6 slotted. And nothing we could do. I'll try making those items and see if there's any difference. Sometimes we hope a support or tank would build it but pubs are rather uncoordinated, have to improvise.

              P.S. anyone have any ideas they'd like to share based on their experiences in such situations?

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              Talker

                When you are playing against dusa you need to strangle her of the resources - 5man, push towers, ward aggressively and dont let her farm, smoke once you know where she is, keep killing her. That is the only option unless you have natural counter (PL, AM etc) and you are hugely ahead.

                Getting hex means game is going ultra late and you are probably not winning anymore. And I would still argue to go for new BKB and rapier instead to just destroy her.

                Generally if you are ahead, because you bought BF as AM or Jugg or midas+radiance on Naix and your team managed to get some kills and pushed some towers means nothing unless you manage to put pressure on enemy team and force them to defend as 5. Once medusa has skadi+travels she can safely farm anywhere around map, where she has vision and just come up once you try something and she is getting stronger. Being ahead against dusa doesnt mean having farming items, but pushing items.

                Troll is quite easy to deal with unless he is hugely ahead and has blink, BKB and other items - you just need disables in your team, which are able to be obtain for 1/2 of price of hex and are able to be obtained by supports/offlaner - euls (2.7k), Atos (2.7k), Halbert (3.5k) and all those items have pretty much the same effect - get rid of troll in ulti.

                Sure, troll will be annoying, but usually he gets BKB early and the time of BKB drops fairly quickly to 5 seconds, so you can deal with him easily with those items untill he has S&Y and satanic, which drops disables quite considerably - and if he goes for these items he has really few slots to get something else as well - if he doesnt have blink, he needs to start bkb before he starts running at you to not just be directly stopped.

                BeoWulf

                  I always get BKB on a carry hero. The thing is BKB doesn't stop medusa's skadi and troll's bash which is why I'm having such a problem with these 2 heroes. I dont get atos, or hex or euls because it has no synergy with most carries though your suggestion of the halberd for troll is a good one. I'll try that...and maybe hex for medusa though thats a super expensive item. :(

                  Shit happens in pubs...just gotta deal with it.

                  kowareta

                    u cant do much against medusa and troll as a carry if u didnt picked a good hero against them
                    try to win without fighting them

                    CUTNPASTE

                      Bkb blocks trolls bash. It really depends what hero you are playing, against troll most of the time you can't manfight, important to kite his bkb and bait his ulti in a bad spot. Dusa is immobile and does fairly low dps so if you have enough items you generally want to engage the backline and kill her last. Item wise hex isn't particularly good vs either hero, diffusal can be good vs dusa if you can squeeze it in. Against troll there isn't really specific items to buy as pos 1, more about fighting properly and not getting baited into a 1v1 manfight.