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Dude.. HaveALife

    Treads or phase .. I play necro a lot and personally I like phase .. but I see high MMR players always making treads .. so help me plz

    Kotato

      nike, just do it

      Wukz

        treads

        Chiwa

          Brown

          Shou

            phase can be decent but treads better

            IXXI

              treads allows you to tread swap for mana, hp, etc

              Awakened

                treads or brown

                ywn

                  Treads for sure

                  A

                    Arcane

                    зачем я начал поиск

                      green boots for green heroes

                      LowTi3RGoD

                        get both

                        [RR53] RR

                          I'd be disturbed if I had a phase Necro in my team.

                          Piguera-

                            Treads necro grants more stats. Phase necro provides mobility. I'd rather pick more stats than mobility, which can be solved with dagger/force staff. Maybe even arcane boots into greaves is fine, if you need more sustain in your lineup.
                            But always pick dagger as 1st or 2nd item, right after boots/wand/null talisman. It's a great boost for your character. It will solve your mobility problems, so phase boots is not needed at all.

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                            Piguera-

                              Phase boots always make you a slave of it. You become soo dependant of it's mobility active that you'll buy it for almost any hero. It's wrong. You should be able to make your plays without being dependant of that extra movespeed. Positioning is everything. Phase still good for many heroes, but not for necro.

                              Peekaboo

                                +40 damage at lvl 10, better get some more damage instead of attack speed/tankability :thinking:

                                the only time you buy phase on necro is if your survivabilty relies on running away from something. i'd buy it vs a timbersaw/jug/Natures prophet.. However 99% of the time you'll want treads

                                baby

                                  treads or arcanes to build into greaves. dont need phase with your damage talent and necro is all about surviving fights

                                  Piguera-

                                    Road 2 4k, there are still better choices agains't timber/jugger, such as Eul's. Against nature, a force staff would solve the problem.

                                    Ghost shroud is a natural counter for Juggernaut's omnislash.

                                    Hood/pipe would solve the problem against Timber.

                                    Peekaboo

                                      thankyou my gold badged friend, next time i get sprouted and treant blocked at 5mins into the game i'll remember to keep my forcestaff handy.

                                      Piguera-

                                        So, ghost shroud into tp? Ez?

                                        Peekaboo

                                          i appreciate the way you create a 'simple' one dimentional way to escape every scenario in a game with near infinate variables.

                                          Do you see those two badges next to my name, they mean that i have been around the block a few times and might possibly understand the game to a little more depth than you :) maybe.

                                          Here is a few different scenario's that you would buy phase boots on 'any core' let alone just necro.
                                          When you have something you need to phase out of.. 'Rhasta wards, Treants, wraithking skeletons, brood spiderlings, A juggernaught spinning you down, A Chakram slowing you down, A chen army running you down, against a lifestealer'

                                          Every build is situational, While yes, buying treads is optimal on necro, if i buy treads in my safelane at 5mins and i die to a chen or ogre magi body blocking me, doesn't that mean my treads was a bad choice?
                                          Sometimes its worth buying a 'non standard' or 'not optimal' item because it will enable you to survive or stay on the map longer, which in turn will help you get more farm/objectives. I'd rather have phase boots and survive than treads and die twice because of it

                                          While yes, i'd love to have a forcestaff verses an ursa or a uels pipe vs a timbersaw, what happens if i have treads + staff of wizardry and a phase boot gyro starts right clicking me, am i supposed to magicly gain 1000 networth before i can enter his lane. 'Just buy uels'

                                          What happens if i'm a mid necro, it's 11mins into the game and the enemy rhasta used the tomb and ward traps me mid at 11mins into the game and can't escape them, doesn't that mean that treads was a poor choice.
                                          If the extra HP and less move speed gets me killed to a naix, doesn't that mean that treads was a poor choice.

                                          Okay, so i'm playing necro vs a mirana (quite a common matchup) it's 5mins into the game, furion sprout treant block's me. I can't ghost tp infront of a mirana now can i? in fact, 99% of midlaners now'adays come with a stun or an incredible amount of burst (Lina, ember etc) I'm just dead if i can't get out of the treants...

                                          The way you determine if something is good or not is if it will.
                                          A, Help you stay on the map
                                          B, Help you get an objective
                                          C, synergise with your hero
                                          D, Stop the enemy heros doing what they want to do.

                                          Treads does A + B + C really well for necro, however there is times when D will overide everything else because if the enemy hero can kill you, it'll stop A + B + C from happening.
                                          Phase boots on necro is situationally viable.

                                          Here is annother reversed example.

                                          I'm playing Jug vs a tiny.
                                          I know, that a midgame tiny with blink can solo kill me at any point in the game unless i tank up.
                                          I also know that an early game tiny can kill me with any support rotation if i get combo'd

                                          Midgame - i know that and echosabre + blink + treads tiny -

                                          Phase, aquila, Battlefury - Will get me killed 100% of the time.
                                          Phase, Yasha, aquila, Drums - i will still probably die
                                          treads, yasha, aquila, drums - i might live on die, but it'll be close
                                          Treads, Aquila, Drums, Sange.. Will give me enough HP to survive his combo.

                                          Strength treads + aquila + stick will probably give me a good chance to survive his combo in the laning phase.. I know that phase boots won't really help me catch him, because he can just toss me away.

                                          I might need that bracer incase he gets a few rotations

                                          I might want some extra mana regen/move speed to make up for my (lack of phase) and in order to sustain (spinning the wave's) against tinys immense push.

                                          etc. etc. etc. etc.

                                          It's better to stop enemy teams from doing what they do well, than just thinking about your own plan or what your hero wants to do.

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                                          IXXI

                                            Waste of time trying to explain this to legend 1 know-it-all

                                            my point exactly
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                                            Piguera-

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                                              Choke Artist

                                                Treads for sure

                                                ETd

                                                  I go phase, even though I know treads is better most of the time. Because damage.

                                                  Rigbone

                                                    https://www.dotabuff.com/players/447857086/matches?hero=necrophos
                                                    i literally always build greaves. i mostly go offlane and it helps me survive most disables + the heal is crazy good with ghost shroud.
                                                    change my mind :)