Edit: Jokes aside, i think this is gonna be very hard to pull off
- tell someone else to go support, if they don't want to just show your icon on the minimap as legion commander in the jungle, then later after they pick a lane support you pick crystal maiden.
below 4k players might not care if there is a support or not, they might always pick core even if it means %100 lose for them. And they will be happy to see u pick legion jungle coz thats the main build, or probably the only build for legion in lower mmr.
And you mostly assume that they're retarded or idiot to pull this off
like,
"if your enemy offlaner is stupid, which he probably is,"
"but you can try since they're retarded."
"they'll telepport back to lane like idiots"
"now you kill that midlaner again because he's retarded."
To be honest, im quite confused. Gonna watch some of the replays.
here are some replays:
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3108264541
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3109621310
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3109730107
other guy:
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3109936669
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3107757705
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3106703308
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3106522070
the 1st guy is not a bad support, it's just that he plays while he's tilted so he just lost all mmr that he gained cus he can't stop after tilting
2nd guy is quite the perfect example https://www.dotabuff.com/players/39692737
have fun abusing it, it's the easiest way to get from 2k to 4k, it requires nothing outside of this.
just remember, when you can't gank, you don't have to
just farm the jungle till they leave the safety of their t2's to farm so you can pick them off 1 by 1.
dont try to find impossible ganks because they'll start 5 manning if they're way too behind and they'll wipe you guys and you'll throw the game
lol im starting my CC acc tbd tonight at home havent played ranked in a long time wanted to go lycan spam with the farm lane till lvl5 then lane with wolf jungle ursepf pattern xd
p.s if you lose a a teamfight or cant win a teamfight at all against the enemy lineup, tell your team to splitpush(and you) so you can split the enemies up
sooner or later they'll stop 5 manning since they need farm and they'll go to lanes to farm them, once they do you just pick them off 1 by 1.
lol i think this was one of the most informative threads i've read here aside from my analysis thread and some others. Cookie masterrace
Sir cookie i know im out of this tread but pls i nid some advise sir how to get very high mmr pls check my profile.. sorry for mis comment on this tread
@not even close it works in 4.5-6k as well, just try it .
i'd just have to make it way longer and more complicated, i'm keeping this one simple for hte lowbies.
@ralphflor, try this it will work.
this is literally a method MADE TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
Sir i forgot im on calibrating right now 3match left.. and im on 3.3k can i still get very high skill sir? and what is the cap of calibration right now sir....
Sir my style is i pick core hero but i play it semi i buy wards i buy cour and upgrade it i roam also and farm hard to get what i lost on buying those supp. Items and if may team r losing i switch it to core items but most of it i lost nid some advise... sory for my english
that's why i told you to show icon as legion commander on the minimap
or just ask your team to pick a support and you'll guaranteed win the game to them
lie to them any way you can so you just can get your CM jungle.
Awtz so very high skill is not needed? First i calibrate on 3.4k but i lose so now i drop on 3.3k but my skill is high
normal skill= 0001-> 3,200
high skill= 3,200 -> 3,700
very high skill= 3,700 -> 10,000
avg mmr of the match^
Dont make another account. Max mmr calibration is 3500 you got 3300 just calibrate and play right.
Oh look I'm noob CM *bla bla bla* into the breach *place observer wards* *riki broke it with sentry and queling* cm said WTF *repeated 4 times noob riki 1mmr kid no kill cm*
cm said wtf glitch and pro said (not riki) *its magic*
cm no support instead she carry. btw I don't know how to fix the wires on my wifi thingy but I think its working fine, I guess.
Really nice and informative guide . that's aside I don't want to lie :) , and don't want to be 4k cm 2k other heroes so I don't think I can do it, still a very decent thread , gj mate.
nah your strategy is god awful
the best strategy is always to snowball and end the ame before 30 minutes, that's the only actual strategy in dota.
and i literally mean destroying the enemy ancient before 30 minutes
@the rider
it doesn't matter, because when you give your team this much freefarm and stop the enemy from farming
you will easily get to 4k by doing this
this is literally MADE to trash low mmr
it's one of the easiest and msot perfect playstyles to abuse low mmr
look at how my students are doing right now, every game 20-30 minutes wins while before they had 60+ minute losses with teh same level of moron teammates
their teammates didn't change, only those guys i've shown this to changed.
My point is lets say somebody realized that I am cm spammer and decided to ban cm , I can't pick lion or kotl with the same pattern and thus I will most likely lose.
btw what if they drafted riki/bh and he is trying to fuck me up , what is the counter play?
Cookie, will you still jungle if . Lets just say , enemy go aggresive dual or trilane on your safe lane , and your carry is like spectre that cannot fight back at all since 00:00?
Since usually one safe lane support only leeching exp in that situaton
watched 2 of those replays, i think this is a guide to "how to play jungle support the correct way" therefore i still dont see how this is a free win material since fate of the game still relies on your "probably retarded" core. So i see this strat be more successful in higher mmr games. But this reminded me so much of this jungle IO that has over %85 winrate with over 2500 games played. Which i still have no idea how these are free win material
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/171488246/matches?hero=io
no one does thaaat the rider in low mmr.
xXxFTPusydestroyer, definitely if you can't jus straight out kill those guys in the offlane then you just let your safelane carry suffer till you can come back and win his lane. 4 minutes of lost farm is not the same as a whole game lost
@parte quick reminder that this is made for low mmr and that it acutally works
i have no idea why you wouldn't just try it.
i woudln't be posting it
IF IT DIDN'T FCKING WORK FOR LOW MMR PLAYERS IN LOW MMR GAMES THAT I'VE THOUGHT THEM THIS
only to the fact that people up to 5k don't punish jungling
that's why 1 rice flea is 5.1k
i've done this with sandking i've done this with crystal i've done this with venomancer
it works like a fucking charm up to 5k
anyways i'm not gonna make any more answers about does it work or not
i have no idea why you wouldn't just watch all those 6 games and practice a bit
then just see it for yourself
i have no idea why you'd knock something before trying it, especially when it's coming from a trusted source guaranteeing it's success
I get it, you want to help low skilled players to be better at this game and i respect you for that. And i think its a perfect guide to teach jungling with support heroes. But i see those ganking attempts fail regulary with this 1-1-3 build and it did fail in those replays, he even died once doing it. And ganking is the main point of this strat. Enlighten me why this works as a free win material instead of a really good way to jungle support pls.
:I feel blessed by light from godly creature from dimension above 5k mmr:
I will keep this '.txt' holy scripture forever on my unholy hard drive.
you guys test it, if it fails then i'll explain the ganking process with a video and i'll give you a list of rules on what you can or can't do while ganking.
@Cookie "i've done this with sandking i've done this with crystal i've done this with venomancer"
Tips on doing it with SK?
on sandking get tranq + soulring and go spam stun + invis.
also, the main point of this is the 10+ minute mark when you ward their jungle and gank their jungle while pushing their t1's
when enemy can't farm in the midgame they get forced to make mistakes by famring at a bad place solo so you can pick them off
or they're forced to 5 man when they need farm so you go take thier towers and splitpush while they're afraid and they don't know where you are.
when they have supports, and low mmr supports only leech exp and use 1-2 spells every 5 minutes, those supports become useless when their cores have no farm
and when their cores can't get farm they start raging and flaming at each other and doing more stupid shit that you can bank on.
all you gotta do is not do something ridiculous yourself.
U give them a way to free win they argue whether its good or not. Classic plebs.
Btw this is similiar to how i win my cm games except i start from hard camp next to mid. Rest is similiar also. I guess great minds think alike :) mb retarded ones also feelsbadman
I was doing Kinda the Same stuff few weeks ago. Just with night stalker. It worked very will but i got bored very Quick.
Alright. Like bipdongoe securing whole enemy safelane and jungle with broodmother to force them all farm in limited amount of space which results in game over before 20 min but as a support not as bm
lmao been doing almost the same thing with spirit breaker, u just take bash lv 1 and zone their offlane to death, he wont back off since hes stupid, did this to a 4k axe ( https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3111189499 ) earlier and i killed him twice in lane and once in his jungle to proceeded to rofl stomp all lanes repeatedly
ur method is alot more efficient and fail proof tho because jungling almost always never gets punished in low mmr
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the reason that this works is that low mmr players have no idea what ganks are nor can they farm
and also they keep playing 3-5 man carry lineups which are super easy to shut down.
the last 3 people i've shown this to have instantly won almost every game after showing them this
the pattern looks like this:
- tell someone else to go support, if they don't want to just show your icon on the minimap as legion commander in the jungle, then later after they pick a lane support you pick crystal maiden.
- tell your teammates you're gonna go jungle for 4-5 minutes and then you'll win them the game.
- buy tango, 4x clarity, courier, 2x observer ward and level your 2nd ability
- give 2 tango to the midlaner and an observer ward.
- give an observer ward to the offlaner or carry(mostly offlaner).
- queue tranquils into quickbuy.
- go to the midlane and block from like 00:00 for like 10 seconds so your midlaner gets a nice well positioned wave
- make sure to get to the hard camp next to the offlane by 0:30 and kill the big creep there with your freeze
your 2nd ability does 1000 damage to creeps
be warned that centaur has 1100 HP and the small centaurs have a stacking magical resistance aura.
so does the potato and tomato camp, for that one just instantly freeze the potato and you'll be able to freeze the tomato after which guarantees a faster kill on both.
big troll and purple saytr creeps also have 1100 hp
- kill big creep at 0:30 and then stack the camp at the 2nd spawn( which is 1:00)
- now clear the rest of the camp and see if the medium camp is saytr or centaur since you can also clear those 2 quite easily
- now take the 2:00 rune and walk to the other side of the jungle
- send your boots
- now kill the big creep in the hard camp closest to your midlane
- and stack the big camp at the 3rd spawn time(3:00)
- now clear that camp and check the medium camp if it's wolf/centaur since you can also clear those easily
- now take the other rune which spawned at 2:00 and the 4:00 rune
now you should have about level 4-5 depending on how lucky you were with your spawn
and it's 4 minutes meaning it's night time and time to gank.
- send your tranquils, upgrade the courier, and for the rest buy a tp scroll, a smoke and a clarity, if you still have more buy 2x observer.
your build will go: 2-3-3-1-3-4-3-1-1-+60 damage talent-1-4-2-2-+125 cast range-2-4-*rest doesn't matter, game is pretty much over by this part* preferably -1.5 sec frostbite and -35 sec respawn time.
you're not allowed to mess up any of the above^^
i mean ANY, you have to do the jungle pattern perfectly
- now it's 4 minutes, check the river rune closest to you and go gank the safelane.
- don't sit behind trees waiting for a perfect opportunity those will never happen, just walk into that lane and tell your teammates that you're coming and tell them to GOGOGO
- now the enemy offlaner will die and he'll teleport back to lane, now pull the hard camp preferably at the 4:53 mark to reset the creep equilibrium because it will push. and that also stacks it.
- now you can clear the hard camp OR if your enemy offlaner is stupid, which he probably is, he'll come close to contest you or the next wave so you can KILL HIM AGAIN.
- after killing the camp get your observer wards and smokes (2-3 of them) and now it's time to gank the midlane, walk around the midlane and kill the bitch.
- you should be very near lvl 6 or lvl 6 with this gank and you'll be able to just pop your ult and kill whatever midlaner they have, some things like qop or od aren't easy to kill but you can try since they're retarded.
- now AGAIN, they'll telepport back to lane like idiots where you'll be hiding behind trees waiting for that to happen
- now you kill that midlaner again because he's retarded.
- now ward the midlane and walk your ass to the offlane and harass and spam spells at their carry, preferably killing him.
- but you're not trying to really just kill him, your job here is to take his tower
- place wards behind his tower to see where he hides or if people teleport to help
- now after taking his tower ward deeper into his jungle so you can gank them
- now you've successfully won all 3 lanes by yourself, now it's about 10 minutes , buy wand, more wards, smokes and the tome.
- now constantly pressure and gank them in their jungle, don't dive them behind towers and don't gank in areas you don't know where the rest of their team are, they're already shut down and trying to grab any farm they can find on the map, they'll make mistakes and leave the safetey of their towers sooner or later where you'll bank on it.
- now take their mid t1 with your team and then their offlane t1, now ward around the cliffs of their base and just gank them every time they leave the t2's or aren't in the shrines
NEVER EVER EVER EVER FIGHT OR GANK AT THE ENEMY SHRINE. IDIOTS IN 6K DO THIS, NOT TO MENTION LOW MMR.
- after that push the t2's, ward more around their base and gank them harder
- then just after your teammates have their core items, and you have glimmer/blink/forcestaff(which should be about 20 minutes into the game) go roshan and just go 5 man up the highground and end the game
playing like this will win you almost every game by 25 minutes.
have fun, i'll find a replay of one of my students doing it soon so you can watch it.
p.s you're not allowed to die even once during the first 15 minutes, if you do then you're doing something wrong and should fix that instnatly
p.p.s with fixing i don't mean afking and not doing anything or running in circles, i mean actually doing it better.