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60%+ winrate, 50+ games in General Discussion
Tutz^

    Only 4k+ solo queue reply.

    Write down heroes, with which you have 60%+ winrate over a span of 50+ games, so I may look at what you're doing and widen my hero pool.

    Preferably offlaners/roamers/junglers.

    I am interested in legit efficient itembuilds, so I may try to replicate your ideas.

    You could also elaborate on ways you play them.

    I can tell you about my efficient heros and builds, if needed.

    Soeeasy

      Ember spirit even if I mostly play it midlane. I try to win my Lane and gank a lot with or without BoT

      Father Jack from Marketing

        3k (sorry!)

        44 games, all 7.0, mostly offlane, 68% - Necro

        https://www.dotabuff.com/players/3900137/matches?date=month&hero=necrophos

        1-IceTea 🌟

          ^OP have CLEARLY STATED ONLY 4K+ REPLY.

          Father Jack from Marketing

            ^ Triggered.

            Ai has replaced me

              what about 3.3k with 700 games 60% winrate

              Ai has replaced me

                or 100+ games 64% winrate

                Tutz^

                  Why are you staying in 3k? Lol.

                  Checked your DB. You must be not playing ranked too often.

                  With my winrates, spamming offlane Aba/Brood/Timber/Ench/jungle WK I got 3200->4000 through November, before I took a break from ranked (will climb more later).

                  With yours, you would've been around 5k+, were they all played in ranked.

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                  Father Jack from Marketing

                    With Techies no less. That is pure filth.

                    I like it.

                    Father Jack from Marketing

                      To be honest im middle aged with kids. I like doto and i like beer. The two often meet and when they do the win rate lowers lol

                      TripleSteal-

                        looks like none

                        [RR53] RR

                          TA, Drow, Panda, Zeus, Viper

                          Not 50 games, but close: BH, Weaver, Lesh, Sniper

                          not 60% WR, but close: Storm, OD, Timber

                          Tutz^

                            I thought of an offlane Brew with Dagger into utility Vlads/Greaves/Pipe/Shivas/Aghs/etc. build before.

                            Not sure, how viable he'd be though, for 1x1 lineups he'd certainly be strong due to W, but you'd be afk farming jungle with a talon against any decent double lane.

                            Hmm... Do you have control groups for blue/green spirits or do you just tab through them?

                            How would he be in a solo offlane in your opinion? (I have almost no experience or feel with Brew)

                            raptured

                              I can tell you about my efficient heros and builds, if needed.

                              xD

                              My name is Crixalis.

                              [RR53] RR

                                Panda offlane can backfire unless versus weak lane. Get some1 with you like Lich, Wisp, Ogre.

                                Yes, use control groups and both tab.

                                IDK how useful he is in this patch.

                                Tutz^

                                  Wow, I've tried SK, but just couldn't figure the real deal build and playstyle.

                                  Would go dagger into force into euls and lose games.

                                  Tried going dagger into straight Aghs, but didn't do it for me either.

                                  Also, struggled with the skill build, as all skills are good and needed.

                                  In the games, where I am impactful, my team is dumpstered and I am of no sufficient value to win.

                                  I couldn't figure how much active should I be. Does having Epicenter without CD always mean I need to use it somewhere or do I just farm my items, etc.

                                  Like, I just couldn't get a feel for the Sand King, despite the hero being good.

                                  I'll try to watch your games then.

                                  heIIsender

                                    mid zeus
                                    https://www.dotabuff.com/players/115729614/matches?hero=zeus

                                    buy 3 clarities from the start
                                    just spam arc until u get bottle and arc rinse and repeat
                                    check any low hp enemy- use wrath

                                    buy tp for potential tp counter-gank

                                    ---Mid game-----
                                    you should have veil,aether, dagger , arcane
                                    all i really do is dish all damage into a single target that will most likely to die INSTANTLY.
                                    your combo should be veil->wrath->bolt->arc-> REPOSITION -> bolt-arc->REPOSITION -> bolt-arc

                                    if any threat is eliminated you can ks all u want.

                                    whether its support or carries your targeting it should be a priority that ITS SHOULD BE DEAD.
                                    a team with one less member is a great advantage already.

                                    ----late game----
                                    same process but with fancier items such as dagon 5 or agha
                                    focus on 1 target kill it instantly

                                    THE PRIORITY NOW IS PROPER POSITIONING, YOU NEED TO STAY ALIVE, AND KEEP SPAMING THAT ARC LIGTHING.

                                    WAIT FOR THEIR CARRY'S BKB DONE- U SPAM THE SHIT OUT OF THEM ASAP. JUST BOLT AND DAGON THEM TO DEATH. OR IF THERES ANY VUNERABLE AND BADLY POSITIONED SUPPORT- FUCK HIM THE ASS AND BOLT AND DAGON THEM IN THE ASS <3.

                                    Downsides with this bulid :
                                    Rarely 1v9 with this bulid- you still need the "lifting" from the team for late game.
                                    some shit hero can counter the fuck out of u such as huskar
                                    once u get caught ur fucking dead.

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                                    Tutz^

                                      Have you tried buying Glimmer/Ghost+tp to counter Husk?

                                      Like Ethereal instead of dagon to ghost yourself out of Husk and blink out?

                                      In my Timbersaw, for example, I think I've developed the build variations for all possible matchups to ensure the maximum chance of victory.

                                      Do you vary your build?

                                      Thanks for such a solid input, btw.

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                                      raptured

                                        well there is no clear item build for sand king. thats a thing i learned when i hit around 4,3k mmr.
                                        you get blink and after that everything is situational
                                        when i m snowballing i get veils to further my lead
                                        rest of the time i get items that either keep me alive in fights or are tailored for specific enemy heroes

                                        heIIsender

                                          I usually- use all items (usually) EXCLUSIVELY to kill 2/3 key target ( mostly supports)
                                          lets say they have es or maybe enigma, purist or any key supports.

                                          i am more than willing to waste dagger,veil, ethe ,dagon and my entire skills to put them down. AND TRY TO REPOSITION AGIAN NOT TO GAIN ATTENTION FROM THEIR CARRIES- if they try to fight me and i dont have escape anymore, i'll go kamikaze spam all your skills and item, hope for the best.

                                          Oh lets just say i've kill him already so how do i fuck you escape from a raging carry that wants to kill you, when most of your items are on CD?
                                          You're on the mercy of your team- that depends how capable they are, if they're good you're most likely to live, and you can continue spaming your shit skills- surely thats a teamfight won.
                                          If not, lets just hope your death, has given them enough space to win.

                                          Buts its always a priority- that no matter what, you need to stay alive as long ass possible
                                          think.twice.before.going.in

                                          Important items on zeus
                                          bottle
                                          arcane
                                          aether
                                          blink( personal preferance)/ force / euls
                                          veil

                                          situational
                                          dagon 1-5 ( if u are snowballing)
                                          aghs ( this is actually quite handy on HG defense)
                                          ethe ( bought if some hard carries are targeting you)

                                          not really the type of item i would really buy
                                          bloodstone ( i can just mana management- though charges are handy, but its just too expensive)
                                          refresher orb ( too mana extensive, just aghs zeus can already burn ur mana)
                                          octarine ( very handy- though i usually rely on burst dmg rather, lifesteals good but i would just trust my positioning to survive)
                                          soul ring - ( mana management can help u alot, dont spam arc too much)

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                                          Illyasviel

                                            im 4k haHAA bye

                                            Smash-

                                              i came here to brag about my lycan but i aint 4k :<

                                              The Legendary Phenom

                                                Tiny offlane by chi long qua

                                                Jacked

                                                  I wish I qualified enough to brag. I don't have any heroes above 50. But at least deep down I'm 4k

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                                                  BUSE

                                                    On my other account-4.5k-I spam skywrath mage. I generally pos 5 roam/lane support and secure kills. He's a lot of fun.

                                                    thinking

                                                      im 2k but im sure spamming necro mid or offlane in 4k will gain you mmr

                                                      Won't care, Don't care. XD

                                                        i am 1k, and i spam win to win. lul

                                                        Vertoxity

                                                          https://www.dotabuff.com/players/172744662/matches?date=3month&hero=slark

                                                          48 games, last 3 months, 64.58% winrate, Slark

                                                          MMR range is from 3800 to 4200, which is my mmr for past 3 months or so.

                                                          Ai has replaced me

                                                            Like literally necro, abbaddon, dont even need to think with those heroes. just spam them

                                                            dead

                                                              my timbersaw

                                                              SeroZero

                                                                Came back to dota after 2-3years absence. I climbed 4-4.5k solo playing support so maybe not the best information for you, but hopefully u find something useful? This is more from my party 4k+ with friends since 7.00 meta.

                                                                CK/Abba, good from pos 1-5. Even if your silly team takes on all cores roles, you can still CK/Abba pos 4/5, durable and mobile hero to steal bounty since early, roam, stun/protect cores. Good initiators, usually missing in 4k games because no one has drafting brains.

                                                                Niche picks on another hand is nyx, but really, learn to use the stun, its quite different from sk/lion. Useful against popular 4k pub stomp mids like tinker/OD/sniper. March of madness? Carapace. Nyx hunts tinker extremely easily early-mid, before tinker daggers. Even after dagger, it's still pretty easy. OD, mana burn = win, or if he astral himself, greet him with carapace. Sniper, with that sad mobility, nyx food at lvl 6. You can even dive twr with nyx, that base HP/armor/Regen...

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                                                                rice cake

                                                                  Enigma is autowin. Visage close to 60%

                                                                  sir ti un-ready

                                                                    Axe - 68% win rate, 60 games

                                                                    sven - 70.83% win rate, 48 games( close?)

                                                                    nyx assassin - 62.86% win rate, 70 games

                                                                    alchemist - 59.35% win rate, 123 game (pretty close i guess)

                                                                    huskar - 59.08% winrate, 61 games

                                                                    quite a few other heroes that have well over 50 games but the win rates are 57-58%

                                                                    solo mmr - 4.4

                                                                    heroes which i do very well in constantly are usually situational picks and roamers, e.g axe
                                                                    build wise, it varies a lot, very situational, depending on enemy heroes and what our team is lacking.

                                                                    tl;dr - both picking and items very situational, build to fit the current game

                                                                    CUTNPASTE

                                                                      I have AM, Troll, WK, PL. All are basically dead heroes currently though although WK might have some potential.

                                                                      PROTECTMEFROMWHATIWANT

                                                                        even with my red days.. u still cant be fyyq god

                                                                        Ryan Gosling Fan

                                                                          https://www.dotabuff.com/players/176720683
                                                                          I have Lot of heros with almost 60% and/or 50 games.
                                                                          Medusa pudge gyro jugg ck abaddon...

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                                                                          johnny cage era

                                                                            3.9k scrub (peaked at 4090 but eh, that was months ago xd)

                                                                            Bounty Hunter

                                                                            I don't think you need help with Abaddon since you mentioned it already as one of the heroes you spam xd

                                                                            Shell

                                                                              4400 MMR here, Dotabuff's top 30 WK at the moment (pos 1, 187 games, 74% winrate), peaked at top 24 then tanked my rating by playing 3 normal skill WK matches. I usually go treads wand armlet blademail into blink and radiance/mjollnir.

                                                                              This patch you can start grouping up right after you get your Armlet, though obviously you still need to farm items. Playstyle is a frontliner/initiator, start in safelane (pls don't jungle with WK, he's pretty useless if played that way). Blink it situational (meaning you don't have to have it every game but usually you'll need to pick it up). Offlane WK can maybe work, but I've never tried it and always played him as a snowball carry.

                                                                              casual gamer

                                                                                slark TB

                                                                                all you need to know this patch is luna. just pick luna over and over and you will be higher mmr than me before long

                                                                                1-IceTea 🌟

                                                                                  @Goodwarrior
                                                                                  I ONLY PLAY WK AS JUNGLER AND MY MMR HIGHER THEN YOURS,DON'T ASSUME A THING THAT U DON'T KNOW,U IGNORANCE ORDINARY HUMAN!

                                                                                  Edit : But for all other ordinary skill player that can't jungle - take his advice.

                                                                                  I met an enemy in 4.7K average game,his jungle skill is so bad compair to me that in 10mit I already earn more then 1K then him(not to said exp) easy win.

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