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Do the bare minimum, Please.
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      [TBD]El FUAA

        Damnit thought I was first, but I guess thats what i get for typing more than just that.. I like ap, but what about making it so that each player gets to select and ban a hero

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        Badjokee | Play2Live.io

          ii miss dota 1 :(

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          Pestilence

            i dont miss dota 1 but i miss wc3 custom games ^

            Anomalina~

              1. What if, instead of getting bonus gold, you got a high chance of picking a hero that countered those on the other team and also didn't fill a role or position already occupied by a pick made on your team? I have experienced randoming has almost always given me a good or atleast decent counter to enemy heroes, but not alwsys, and I also tend to get a hero that fills the core position when they're already picked. This would justify randoming for people who don't know how to counter, but instead of rewarding them with extra gold that they probably don't know how to use, have the added pressure of possibly having to play a hero they may not know, which has always been there.
              2. The problem with first pick is that it always makes the team who gets it suffer from being countered every step along the way. Even last pick goes to the enemy team, which makes no sense, since this is dealt with in CM. Either the pick sequence should be changed to match exactly that of CM (except for the bans) or, Dire should always be awarded second pick, seeing as there is a universal disparity in winrate between the dire and radiant sides. It's almost as high as 5%, and since it's something that can't be solved in a single patch, it's reasonable to give the 'worse' side that slight edge.

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              ETdAWESOME

                Thank GabeN they no longer allow the last pick to random. When last pick randoms into AM with a Dusa and PA already on the team -_-

                Jack Attack

                  Randoming is fun

                  TheWarden

                    The article failed to mention you can't random the last pick in all pick ranked games.

                    James Bond

                      6.88T U CAN FUCKING TURN OF AUTO ATTACK IN DOTA 1 WUTFACE NOTLIKETHIS

                      ItsAllUpToYou

                        Seeker,Flecher.Brood,Nyx,Weaver,Pa,Shadow fiend,Terrorblade,Spectre,Venomasner,Viper,Meepo

                        Wc3 CustomGames was thousands and Thousands of times Better than dota2 custom games

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                        kormoranas

                          mid or random

                          Scenko

                            remove the random feature unless its 6k mmr+

                            stars

                              Remove random button from ranked pls.

                              Mind

                                i see no problem with random

                                Brock Hall

                                  I think you're trying to find depth in a puddle.

                                  kavinzaza

                                    i think randoming in unranked is fine but in ranked its not bcuz if u get the hero no one in the team can play its an immediate lost

                                    X.OneGUARD

                                      All matchmaking system needs to change, all player level and attitude system needs to change.
                                      Also there should be a system which player picks hero before entering player pool so that role wars in draft picking inside same team stops.
                                      Also there should be player rewarding system, really nice rewards for progressing players and some daily questing systems should be integrated.
                                      Cosmetic item creation and more cosmetic items for all heroes should be designed and allowed.
                                      It would be an awesome game if these happen in 3 months or else I see a Moba garbage incoming.

                                      RosHan Solo

                                        @kavinzaza : From my experience (scrub 2.5 k), 9/10 a randoming teammate is an easy -25 MMR because they refuse to talk to teammates or they instantly expect to swap.

                                        Personally, randoming is OK in pub games (trying to learn the hero pool etc. etc.) but in ranked most players are trying to hone their skills with a few heroes. It is especially annoying when at times you gruel through a 60min game to get the +25 MMR and then the next game is completely ruined in <30mins due to a randomer.

                                        Similar to being an individual against a 2/3 stack (clear disadvantage), Randoming should be removed from ranked or a non-randoming variant of ranked should be introduced.

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                                        ClownX

                                          im just want SINGLE DRAFT on MMR Mode that will be fun

                                          2D Girls Only

                                            pls dont random

                                            KarmaTrash

                                              As for me, Dota needs such changes:
                                              1. Change report system: the player should have more available reports and should never appear in the same team with the reported player.
                                              2. Make solo MMR to not rely on winning or losing the game but have complex individual calculation. If player wins the game then he can get, for example, from 0 to 30 points, based on his activity. And if the player loses, then his mmr will be reduced by 0 to 30 points.
                                              3. Add possibility to select the role (1, 2, 3, 4-5 position) before finding a match. And then the team you will get will have all needed roles. Of course it will last much more to find such match, but at least there will be no line wars.

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                                              HartzFear

                                                ^ Why dont you play lol if you like it so much?
                                                Noone wants you Here.

                                                FailFish

                                                  ^ agree with #3

                                                  Hupples

                                                    Yesterday I had a teammate 3rd pick random Meepo, he didn't know how to play Meepo.
                                                    EZ 25 minutes of everyone in the game's lives wasted since he wouldn't just abandon.
                                                    EZ -25 MMR for everyone on my team

                                                    Hexx11

                                                      I would say, just make only one MMR. Party is basically bullshit. Remove random.

                                                      Aghanim $$$

                                                        Remove all pick..only random allowed.

                                                        God show me the way

                                                          As i live in Kazakhstan i can play on both perfect world servers and eu west with ping ~100, and i wanted to mention in china everyone is playing random draft only

                                                          Vful Spirit

                                                            "Division of labor is the separation of a work process into a number of tasks, with each task performed by a separate person or group. Division of labor is essential to economic progress because it allows people to specialize in particular tasks. This specialization makes workers more efficient, which reduces the total cost of producing goods or providing a service. Additionally, by making people become skilled and efficient at a smaller number of tasks, division of labor gives people time to experiment with new and better ways of doing things." This is exactly why you should limit yourself to a certain position and a limited hero pool and avoid randoming.

                                                            we want our detroit back

                                                              the new all pick is fine

                                                              DaDias

                                                                just remove the random button from ranked games...got a random am who died 21 times and started to get a ring of health, claymore and then began to build a yasha for "faster farm"

                                                                boshy

                                                                  What a shitty article coming from a 3k player. You can't random lastpick anymore.

                                                                  | i ♥ Majo |™

                                                                    The AP mode needs a change for balance the picks, I think, valve needs implement the method ABBA.

                                                                    Galt.KreamKing

                                                                      Thoughts on only making the random selection available immediately upon load in, a separate like 10 second window or such, where everyone who intends on randoming will have to random before the rest of the picking stage begins?

                                                                      ◄MAXIMUM PMA►

                                                                        Instead of buying a hero, option to buy a new type of building.. a mega barracks that pumps out units that can farm the trees and build more buildings, which can build units that can fight. rts?

                                                                        Drew

                                                                          love when all the roles are chosen then someone randoms cause they don't want to support..

                                                                          hazy

                                                                            You putting this drivel out is going to enable retardation from excrement players. They'll point to this article to defend their decision to random. Let me put it bluntly. You shouldn't random in ranked, not if you want to win. Randoming as a 5th pick is probably the most idiotic thing I've heard. Perhaps doing it in 1st position is acceptable if NOBODY on your team is willing to first pick, but the tail end of the draft is for counter and synergy picks.

                                                                            "Ganz

                                                                              what about that : ??

                                                                              The idea is pretty simple: Just as you select the game modes you are up to playing, you get to mark the positions/roles you are willing to play.
                                                                              So, if you can only accept playing mid, the matchmaking won't put you at the same team as someone with the same restrictions.
                                                                              As soon as the game lobby is up, the roles in the map are pre-set, so everyone knows the roles each of them are expected to develop for the team.
                                                                              It's not that one can't change the pre-set positions. It's just a way to separate the teams in a balanced way strategywise.
                                                                              That should minimize the occurance of the likes: - two guys fighting for mid (or any other role) - nobody wants to play support for the team - nobody wants to/feel confortable playing mid... - etc
                                                                              I believe that's very simple to apply and would only improve the playing experience in ranked matches, by avoiding miss-compositions and fights before the picks even occur.
                                                                              so, what's your thoughts on that?
                                                                              =- ps: sorry about any language issues
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                                                                              Peelioka

                                                                                I personally liked it when all pick was removed from the ranked game mode options a few years back, forcing people to play Captain's Mode for ranked solves all of these issues. The new issue being the need for a competent captain, someone can easily grief as a captain.

                                                                                K-かみ👑

                                                                                  mmr is just a number

                                                                                  D:

                                                                                    I think that you can't swap in either sd or rd mode unless it was fixed recently? That's why I stopped playing this mode back in the day after transitioning from dota1. Nowadays it would be hard to change established trends.

                                                                                    Vful Spirit

                                                                                      @"Ganz
                                                                                      Nice idea but not practical because of some reasons. First of all there is a deficiency of support players. Secondly it makes match making super slow.

                                                                                      Long Bottom Leaf

                                                                                        What if both teams picked a hero at the same time? Each pick phase lasts 1 minute, each team/player on a team chooses a hero. The hero panel would be blanked out for the other team so neither team knows what is coming. Then when the 1 minute is up or when both teams have picked their hero, the panels are then shown to both teams. Then after, I don't know, 10 or 15 seconds there is another pick phase, repeating until 5 heros are picked for each team.

                                                                                        Dr_JP

                                                                                          ^What if both teams choose the same hero? Is it banned and it all starts over again?

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                                                                                          FXXK

                                                                                            And mmr system is not fair. "IO win = 25mmr" "Necrophos win = 25 mmr" this is not fair. The mmr system does not give mmr according to the talent. You can up your mmr with only 1 hero...

                                                                                            TigerUppercut

                                                                                              Please remove the option to random in ALL PICK. If you want to random go play ALL RANDOM mode. Randoming does nothing but tilt people before the game even starts. Dota is a strategy game not a casino gambling game.

                                                                                              KashkavalPane

                                                                                                1. Maybe re-random should not exist, so it is REALLY risking to random!
                                                                                                2. Looking for balance, it should have a gold loss progression for each random of each team:
                                                                                                1st random pick = +200 g (and no re-random allowed anymore)
                                                                                                2nd random pick = +150 g
                                                                                                3rd random pick = +100 g
                                                                                                4th random pick = +50 g
                                                                                                5th random pick = already not allowed

                                                                                                KashkavalPane

                                                                                                  Another idea that I have, is just one unique MMR with different points won or lost. I think this division makes people avoid playing in party with friends.
                                                                                                  Maybe, again, a progression idea:
                                                                                                  +24 MMR for solo queue
                                                                                                  +21 MMR for party of 2
                                                                                                  +18 MMR for a party of 3
                                                                                                  +15 MMR for a party of 4
                                                                                                  Party of 5 is not ranked.

                                                                                                  Who played mid?

                                                                                                    Why should people be discouraged from playing in a party? Isn't that the whole point of dota? its a team game dude lol. If you play solo and dont want to queue into teams, turn on solo queue option in the options. People shouldnt be penalised for playing a team game in a premade party

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                                                                                                    HappyHubris

                                                                                                      Remove random gold; it incentivizes bad play.