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Reimius

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    CherryCoke

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      MV.BLΔCKNETIC-

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        AlucardTNHero

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            HUYARU LP NON STOPOM

              idite naxuy!

              Fight Machine

                Compared to 6.88, there are 70% resources(creeps) on the map. But games are as long as or even longer than 6.88 which gives a room for a dormant backup core to come online later.

                fireFLY

                  eights .. :(

                  Brock Hall

                    First off: I love the changes made to MK. They are in reaction to the way pros are playing him, giving him better survivability in exchange for a lower damage output. He is more consistent now but without the power spike, which allows him to play the four position a little more naturally.

                    Second: Jingu Mastery doesn't seem to fit too well with the hero as he currently stands. There might be a better skill for him to have, but that would mean easing off on his other skills yet again probably.

                    Finally: I am anticipating some sort of addition to the tree mechanic. MK is currently one of an extremely tiny group to have such early access to flying vision (off the top of my head only clockwerk comes to mind pre 6) which is often the largest argument people have for hating the hero. I personally think it isn't too horrible especially as his early game has been cooled off and there are still great ways to escape his initiations (escape heroes shrug off the slow and the stun early is short enough that setting up a chain stun is easy to sniff out) but I would not be surprised to see Valve introduce either a new item or a skill to a current hero that gives them a better way to keep tabs on MKs position. The latter is probably more likely as it is easier to implement without ruining his unique advantages.

                    Brock Hall

                      @Fight Machine

                      There might be less creeps but isn't there more gold because of ancients and stuff?

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                            Cer.Do.WxC

                              14th and still down with 1k MMR

                              Fight Machine

                                Camps gold on average: S=75, M=100, L=125, A=238, R=100.
                                6.88: 2*((3*125)+(2*100)+75+238)= 1776 gold every two mins.
                                7.xx: (3*125)+(3*100)+75+(238*2)+(2*100)= 1426 gold every two mins.
                                1426/1776=0.8

                                InTheMoodForLove

                                  I really like the rework

                                  Rx-Cowbell

                                    @Brock Hall, Batrider also has flying vision, but your point is well taken.

                                    Brock Hall

                                      @Fight Machine

                                      Hmm. You forgot bounty runes but that hardly makes a difference.

                                      Still, it's not like Kawaii is wrong that supports have been living in a relative utopia with cheap wards, tp scrolls, xp tomes, and opportunities to turn into cores. It's a greedier game these days, but that began almost a year ago, and I still remember when tp scrolls were 135.

                                      Brock Hall

                                        @Rx-Cowbell

                                        Actually I'm gonna change my tone a little and say people are bellyachers about the flying vision problem. There are SOOOOOO many sources of flying vision it isn't funny. Here. I'll give a list of non ultimate skills that give unconditional (like requiring a target or proc upon hitting something) flying vision for any duration above 0:

                                        Firefly, Sticky Napalm, Beastmaster Hawk, Blood Rite, Rocket Flare, Sun Strike, Ice Path, Illuminate, Sprout, Illusory Orb, Meat Hook, Plasma Field, Wave of Terror, Shrapnel, Ball Lightning, Static Remnant, Chakram, Ice Shards, Venomous Gale, Power Shot, Lightning Bolt.

                                        That's 21 skills spread over like 18 heroes BEFORE we add in conditional and non duration spells. Granted it's mana expensive to spam, but you can't take away every advantage you get with tree dance.

                                        Manslaughter-

                                          tree dance is still far far superior to any kind of flying vision you might have aside from beastmasters hawk maybe.

                                          1-IceTea 🌟

                                            22nd is mine
                                            It's funny when MK story is he can 1 v 1K gods but in real game he just a roamer support and properly fail most 1v1scenario

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                                            Audi S4

                                              @Brock hall

                                              Doesn't pudge's meat hook require a latch onto an enemy before granting vision around the hook?

                                              $plit Image

                                                I have never seen a Monkey King do a hand of midas in pro games or casual before the nerf.
                                                A support MK needs other utility items and core needs to up the dmg asap from what I have seen.
                                                Where are you gettting your information regarding Midas pickup?
                                                Edit: Checked dotabuff and Midas is less picked and has almost 10% lower winrate than echo sabre.
                                                Edit2: Top 10 MK players use midas sometimes. But it is not standard for a MK.

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                                                Audi S4

                                                  ^^

                                                  I agree, i recently played a game as monkey king and started as a roamer and transitioned into a core quite easily without Midas with little to no farm for the first five minutes. I was still able to solo gank heroes by 10 minutes and participate in teamfights with just a wand, phase boots and basic regenerative items. Midas would have slowed down the game too much without me being able to contribute

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                                                  TooMuchSauce

                                                    No mention of the solar crest build? Item is super good on this hero as you can easily 1v1 enemy heroes you catch out alone and when you're in the team fight you just throw it on your carry perfect for a fighting support. Also a natural transition from blight stone while still allowing your carry to build desolator. Great article nonetheless, I was beginning to think this hero was going to be pushed out of the game for a while.

                                                    Brock Hall

                                                      @Braindead

                                                      oops, you're right on that one. However Invoker meatball can be added as the last spot gets 3 seconds linger time.

                                                      @END

                                                      Like I said before, you can't take away every unique thing a hero does. Nobody is as consistent with ranged attacks as sniper is. Nobody puts out aoe damage like gyrocopter can. Nobody can hop around the map as often as NP. If you take away what makes a hero unique or what gives them an advantage in a certain situation you ruin the hero.

                                                      Z0mBi3

                                                        Very fun hero to play and watch, im happy he is seen in the pro scene.

                                                        Napoleon Borntoparty

                                                          28th ???

                                                          Grandmaster of the Jedi O...

                                                            I see Monkey king, I pick Zeus!

                                                            ffinnaggann

                                                              I love how the best win percentage and most picked rates of the talents are opposite of what they suggest, I assume is because monkey king is played as carry by pub players so often.

                                                              Brock Hall

                                                                @ffinnaggann

                                                                Riki has made it to the support position in many of my pub games so it can happen but it'll take a bit

                                                                ErbiuMilan

                                                                  @ffinnaggann @Brock Hall if you play in the trash skill level as I do, you may even see a carry Jakiro; no one plays Support in that range

                                                                  Brock Hall

                                                                    @ErbiuMilan

                                                                    Feel for ya man in some ways, but in others that must be a wonderous place full of ill conceived but creative solutions that I would love to be a part of.

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                                                                    ♥♦ GED ♣♠

                                                                      The marvelous 2k dimension

                                                                      autumn

                                                                        I personally believe his ability to gap close still makes him one of the most invaluable supports out there, as well as providing crucial behind the lines vision.

                                                                        THR4SH

                                                                          @Braindead
                                                                          I think the winrate only accounts for when you finish with Midas in your inventory, most good games you will sell it before the end

                                                                          Pickle Rick

                                                                            Mids and Roamers get hit the hardest with the Nerf hammer. So just be careful.

                                                                            PiesangSlagter

                                                                              @autumn
                                                                              Maybe big dp ult Cooldown reduction talent at level 25?

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