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balance in all things

    very situational i guess, no flashfarming ability and is single target. maybe if we get an aghanim's rework like drow

    Geshtapo

      1 st
      cannot beleive

      z33

        Nice article

        Geshtapo

          noooooooooo
          Second

          Claszureme

            Core Venge rules.

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            ManOnTheRun

              Echo sabre dark seer please

              Game_Sorceror_2.0

                When I see axe i choose veng best counter ever :)

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                yaOyaO

                  core venge? venge`s power is swap.

                  Фейри Тейл ! Чувак=)

                    Я всегда так играл и выигрывал!!!!

                    mo'kah

                      Core venge? Not on my team plx, I enjoy the ez mmr.

                      WONDERWEAPON

                        People are stupid....core venge is great....people dont like change i guess lol....ive been winning with core venge for awhile now...check my profile i always win core venge

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                        smax

                          @JANDA CRISPY ~ but why? She is so tanky herself, why you spend gold on that item?

                          Skadooshkids2kmmr

                            core venge was a thing back in dota 1, i don't know about other region used venge as another role but in my country venge used to fill mid role. thats why i confused when i started playing dota 2 people started playing venge as a support-- but is pretty good though, i have a pretty good winrate with venge.

                            Brock Hall

                              @job

                              Swap is a powerful skill because it is flexible. It's great for pickoffs, putting a hero in a bad position. It's great to swap out your core, saving their life. But you can also escape by swapping yourself out of a situation. It's kind of like using blink strike or phantom strike on a friendly to escape.

                              MW.buyunglalana

                                @smax actually I gave her vanguard coz I tanked my team up with her passive and vanguard that's my version of support venge

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                                Т1

                                  Core venge = instant report and mute

                                  Ust'e Reki

                                    huh, why you guys so mean. Totaly strong hero with a lot of potencial; played it like 1-2 years ago without those GUCCI talents - and it was pretty good, ofc feelsbadman when domintaor is nerfing but venge is still OK; she's early push strats and early fights always GUCCI c;

                                    The Choice Is Yours

                                      Blackopf ewr

                                      Frozen Spider

                                        There's literally no point of playing Venge as core damage dealer, aside from misleading opponent by a versatile pick. She's too strong as a support, all her bonuses are team-wide, and there are far better carries than her without her drawbacks (to name a few - short attack range, no AOE whatsoever, situational support-oriented ult)

                                        Junior

                                          Personally, i kinda have a problem making venge a core, as her farming ability is a bit underwhelming. But maybe building the right build and always active in a fight can make the difference, maybe....

                                          NAG_SNUG'pa

                                            Did core venge ever win at TI? The only core venge game I remember was a decisive loss

                                            ( o Y o )

                                              Just the way you are.

                                              H A L 4 H  G A L 3 R

                                                I think the problem with venge core is that she cant carry the game solo no matter how good you are. She doesnt farm fast like a medusa, have no high burst dmg like a shadow fiend, and no big aoe dmg like gyrocopter. However, the point in picking a venge core is trying to do mind games with the enemy team while doing a multi core oriented lineup. So if you are first picking a venge carry in a 2k pub, you'll probably going to be a support instead of a carry.

                                                Brock Hall

                                                  Just so everyone knows, by level 8, without items or talents, VS has the highest Agility of any hero. 27 base with 3.3 gain. 3rd highest base, 2nd highest gain. You're not picking her for a late game situation, ie a farmer. You pick her as a core to fight early because she can tear through the competition with minimal items, capitalizing on the fact that she has more damage than any traditional farming carry would have at that time. It's very similar to how you do a small amount of farming with drow, then quickly transition to a five man situation, mowing down objectives.

                                                  smax

                                                    Totally agree with Brock Hall above. And yes, usually you need second core as well to cover for venge's weaknesses. But in 1-1 fights she is usually stronger than most other cores at all levels. At level 25 she has 450-500 damage +crits (if you go crits) and very high attack speed, yielding one of the highest single target dps of all heroes. She is good at pickoffs (cant really run from her ult) and if your team can force enemies to focus someone else - she will end any fight in 5-10 seconds.

                                                    Del Rey

                                                      how to ez lp:
                                                      1. pick venge
                                                      2. go farm
                                                      3. enjoy 20min lost game
                                                      4. ????????????
                                                      5. PROFIT!!!!!!!!!

                                                      Vascolas007

                                                        Lol go check my last ogre magi game, this venge carried the game like brock said

                                                        MW.buyunglalana

                                                          I don't understand venge carry, venge farmer, venge support no good anymore?

                                                          Cody

                                                            venge carry is famous even dota 1 and even in heroes of newerth. venge is played as carry long back from version 5 to 6 until dota 2 was made.

                                                            Cody

                                                              only kids who started playing dota at 2010 never knew that venge carry exist before. try her in midlane and see how she wrecks your famous shadow feed and injoker in lane.

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                                                              MW.buyunglalana

                                                                2010... grow up men you guys too old play a game haha

                                                                Dodong Bot

                                                                  VS POS 1 is very situational but especially good when paired up with Ogre.

                                                                  [三体]

                                                                    venge is best picked carry when theres a drow support on your team. the two aura together is so op, especially when venge gets farm and gets lvl 25, and drow has frost arrows in lane.

                                                                    Brock Hall

                                                                      @[3Body]

                                                                      There is little reason why the two can't be dual cored. Neither DEMAND TONS of farm, so you can stick Venge in midlane and maybe give her a support. Both are early game so you can get them up to six then team up for burning towers.

                                                                      Chisaki-

                                                                        If we talking about ranked mm, i would prefer picking venge first, ofc its for her versatility as of now she can be a carry (which is hard imo due to her lack of farming mechanics) or semi-carry or going full support depends on your team picks.

                                                                        Most likely you can't get the first pos, if you play in sea, but just try to communicate the draft if you really wants to be the first pos and you know well to play with the tempo, explain the idea.

                                                                        If your team has a carry drow, then being a semi-carry/semi-support venge is alrd strong as hell. Getting 2 relatively cheap items, Power treads + HoTD + precision aura + vengeance aura + wolf aura alrd makes your venge hit like a truck. But, make sure someone on your team picked a 5th pos support for wards.

                                                                        If you had no drow, and get a melee carry like juggernaut on your team then go for 5th pos support. Get 1 item : aether lens . And boom your juggernaut will never fall, at least if he is in your ult range and not pushing by himself on the other side of the map (lol)

                                                                        Cody

                                                                          venge does not need farming tool as her item costs cheap to dominate game from early and snowball to late. she is deadly as slark when got an early sb and paired with desolator she can mostly 3 hits position 4-5 enemies easily.

                                                                          Tanukichi

                                                                            Lol she is op if farmed enough at max level,
                                                                            My last game she survived a double rp and killed the whole team after with satanic on low life
                                                                            Her items:
                                                                            Treads, butterfly,mkb,satanic,hurricane pike
                                                                            Seeing a possible nerf to ber str growth if she gets picked enough

                                                                            🅱ws

                                                                              I should always remind myself to not read the comments on db articles

                                                                              Kinker

                                                                                not 1st

                                                                                Omae wa mou shindeiru

                                                                                  @bloodeagle i agree very situational pick, there are much better ranged hero to fit the carry role

                                                                                  MW.buyunglalana

                                                                                    I think venge (on this thread) same with drow you know what I mean right (the damages) but lot of dota players don't know how play drow as well as venge eventhought they were ez heroes to play

                                                                                    (sorry about the English)

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                                                                                    revyrain

                                                                                      The article said Venge 'core', which is not necessarily have to be 'carry' (post 1). Why is everyone talking as if she must be played in post 1..?

                                                                                      There are three different cores in a team:
                                                                                      Post 1. Carry
                                                                                      Post 2. Mid
                                                                                      Post 3. Offlane (Hardlane)

                                                                                      And by means playing Venge as a 'core', you still have two other cores to complement her, and she doesn't have to be the post 1. She can fit quite well as an Offlaner, or a situational Midlaner (when there is no other capable ranged hero in your draft).

                                                                                      And with the latest update on the hero, Venge is now capable enough as a 'core' in this meta. With her high stats growth, vengeance aura, stun, DPS, +damage and +atkspeed talent tree. She only lacks flashfarm capability, unlike Templar, for example. So playing Venge core, you'll tend to be more farming the enemy heroes (ganks/war) after level 6 rather than farming creeps, as she is scaling faster in early game than most carries, though maybe not as high as them in the later stages. So you will avoid dragging the game for too long.

                                                                                      Noir

                                                                                        Usually when my team drafted around a core Venge, we make it a priority to have a lineup with strong early-to-mid game potential and overwhelm the enemy with 4-man pushes at around levels 8-12; and around that time give our other carry space and time to farm efficiently. Using Venge as your ONLY carry is risky af.

                                                                                        Since Venge herself already has strong lock-down potential, I usually pick supports with strong sustain skills (i.e. Omni, Dazzle, or Chen) or reliable crowd control abilities (i.e. Warlock, Tide, Enigma, or Disruptor). But almost all the time we aim for a 25-35 min gg in situations like this.

                                                                                        Frency

                                                                                          Vengeful Spirit has been created and built in order to fit for the support role, not for the carry one. Do you want to build her as carry? Feel free to, but you are gonna win only versus opponents who do not know how to deal with it. It's not how the hero is supposed to be played. Same goes for carry Omni, support Kunkka ecc.

                                                                                          Kizaru

                                                                                            Used to play venge as core awhile ago, but now I dont feel like it anymore.

                                                                                            Hi4M7

                                                                                              Venge has insane projectile speed, making it super easy to last hit with her, similar to Sniper or Gyro. However, she won't farm too well until you get either Yasha or some other either damage or AS item. Maelstrom works pretty well too.
                                                                                              But in the end, she can stand with any other AGI core if built right.
                                                                                              Riskier builds like Dragon Lance + Moon Shard + Daedalus makes great use of her fast projectiles, stun, anti-armor and aura and tears lesser enemies down before they can even adjust. Getting those items, however, needs a team who doesn't expect 24/7 support from her. Which she shouldn't do, anyway, imo. There's much more suitable heroes for hard support role.

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