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Greymane

    FIRST

    Keongkeong_961

      second

      The Dark Destroyer

        3nd

        KARMA

          Mom i am 4 th . finaly i make our family proud :)

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          NRG

            5th 2ez

            Heart@PeaceGivesLife

              Right clicks on Lich are a waste.

              EsDeath

                7th woahhhhhhhhhh

                Sir.kappachino

                  nd i am 8th so now i can die

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                    9th

                    DarKNovA [screws meta]

                      Replicate talent loses because it will be useless on the larger scale as long as it can be get rid of as a simple illusion.
                      So many skills that instantly kills it.

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                        11th ! my lucky day

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                          11th ! my lucky day

                          Cody

                            i like undying -2 sec decay cd and dazle 1 sec cd poison touch

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                            John Ruth The Hangman

                              Its surprising that no one talks about terror blade 10 sec sunder....yet the 15 stats alternative have higher winrate .
                              Strange because sunder is op

                              Heisenberg

                                I still think that Elder Titan is under powered. How about they reduced the channeled stun?

                                Mind

                                  many talents are there for using the hero another way - i think if i play morphling support with aghanim high chance i choose the extra 50% dmg , it depend of my mates . if i have problem with farming with monkey king i will get the tanky talents instead of aggresives - with TA if enemy has pudge or bat or something who can burn the shield that 3 plus is not so usefull
                                  thats why you are choosing between these

                                  Alone

                                    Большинство альтернатив УВВ выигрывают на 4-6%, но в у TA +3 Refraction Instances выигрывает на 9.5%. Это говорит о том, что помимо относительно бесполезности УВВ талантов, альтернатива действительно очень хороша.

                                    Я даже к конструкции "но в у" цепляться не буду, секрет о бесполезности "УВВ" талантов тебе игры на 5к и ниже открывают, я так понимаю, где человек берет его чтобы чаще умирать :)

                                    Можно изгнать человека из паба, но не паб из человека.

                                    bovelrick

                                      u got item build and skill build before, now u got talent build for the extra layer, and people complain dota is getting more casual....

                                      wtZ

                                        I'm sorry, but I don't think that the logic is very sound in this one. Talents are picked according to situation - for example if a Lich player is winning, he will never choose the bonus armor for buildings because he doesn't need it and vice versa - he will always take the building armor over skadi slow if he is losing. This is the reason why one talent has much higher winrate than the other one, not because one talent would be a clearly better choice.

                                        The same can be said about Puck, Morphling (also should take into account that support and offlane Morphlings will always take the replicate talent and they have lower winrate overal) and Lanaya.

                                        Trehz .//droiD

                                          20th posi is mine.

                                          Trehz .//droiD

                                            21st also mine. Moafuckaz

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                                              22nd ! owh yeah

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                                                23th free !

                                                MW.Babyaqmal

                                                  idiot people with the numbers

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                                                    25 now !!

                                                    CBR

                                                      dauni.

                                                      Mors Wonder Berry

                                                        27 eeee

                                                        ¡ Eℓ Kαίȵ  ♂

                                                          Count of asshole end now

                                                          Nixon

                                                            I'm not sure about the talents yet -- they kind of initially felt like a massive balancing patch (they were!), but now it also feels imbalanced. Some of that is the shrine/jungle changes, but some of it is the talents.

                                                            NEED NEW META.

                                                            NAG_SNUG'pa

                                                              30! Love my +25% xp gain on vissage. You need levels so your birds don't get 1 hit! Fuck +90gpm. Kills get you all the gold you need.

                                                              Keep on counting! Do it for Dota. Who will be 31st?

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                                                              Sanji Vinsmoke

                                                                31! :P

                                                                Geshtapo

                                                                  33 :-(

                                                                  Phoenix

                                                                    33rd!!

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                                                                      34th xd nerf tinker plox

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                                                                      JeOxe

                                                                        My love GOGOGO!!!

                                                                        [F]uture[K]night

                                                                          36th ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                                                          mikealexjohn

                                                                            Recently won a game with Oracle because of the extra 2 seconds on false promise at lvl 25. Grabbed a divine and just barely won after we got all our raxes taken and most of my team was dead.

                                                                            mct

                                                                              38th hue hue

                                                                              mct

                                                                                this article should be named "all that die to pudge"

                                                                                RealCanadian#Sorry

                                                                                  40th
                                                                                  lets go

                                                                                  Infergnome

                                                                                    Please, use less, commas, it really makes it, hard to read.

                                                                                    Mocha

                                                                                      420

                                                                                      Brock Hall

                                                                                        A note on Lich:

                                                                                        Part of the reason that having the skadi effect on Lich is important and useful is because any amount of slowing will increase the number of times his ult will successfully bounce between heroes. Lich doesn't really have a good attack animation, or attack speed, but the amount of damage from an extra bounce makes up for those problems.

                                                                                        master of none

                                                                                          Waveform range vs replicate gap of 6% might be more selection bias than difference in strength. When morph is doing well it wants to buff itself (waveform). When morph is doing poorly it wants to replicate someone else.

                                                                                          You Only YOLO Once

                                                                                            Weaver level 25 talent is a massive game changer. you cannot kill him even with gem

                                                                                            MYTOMAN

                                                                                              KappaRoss

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                                                                                                I wonder how MMR can when I open it

                                                                                                MW.Babyaqmal

                                                                                                  i do sorry guys this page 1 now closed.....
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