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Wrath

    Hey cookie can you make an integrated guide on Arc Warden? Would be much appreciated.

    Ex: when to pick when not to, pros cons, item build and preference, skill build, playstyle, etc.

    Karellen

      When to pick: when you're in a match of dota 2

      Pros: OP

      Cons: None

      Item build: usually midas, I've seen Zai go midas > dagon to stomp my 5k avg pub. There are many builds you can go. You don't even have to get midas. I've also seen a right click build with hotd butterfly and shit

      Midas > bots > blink or shadow blade or farming item like maelstrom first, mjollnir is legit too > bloodthorn > rape bitches

      Playstyle is different every game. If there's kills available, go for kills. If you can get a T1 and T2 instead of 2 kills, get the towers. There's no one playstyle.

      Skill build is same 100% of the time I'm sure.. get an early point in w after maxing q if you want but I doubt you'll ever need it

      🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

        dear god soy, that's bullshit

        like dagon is the worst possible item on this hero

        midas is 10000000000000% core on this hero

        there isn't a single game where you wouldn't get midas

        pros: solo hero which can win games without a team, also works well in a team

        cons: low mobility, requires a lot of skill to learn and master, easy to shut down, squishy glass canon

        item build:
        starting: wraith + 2 pooled tangoes + pooled obs + branch + faerie, if no pooled tangoes buy your own instead of the branch+ faerie

        laning phase: aquila + bottle OR salve/mango, some people get both bottle and salve/mango but they skip aquila, then boots of speed + midas

        never skip midas

        midgame: maelstorm(later mjolnir)>

        if you can fight, deathball push or you need to fight or defend a deathball push: dragon lance

        if none of that: BoTs

        so it's maelstorm> bots + dragon(later hurricane)
        all it depends is which item you get first

        some games you can get shadow blade(later silver edge) if dragon lance(hurricane pike) isn't good enough ex enemy has a lot of initiation/catch (ex slark, storm)

        next up it depends on the game, ex:

        enemy has omni: diffusal

        enemy has lots of push: another mjolnir

        enemy has purges: hex

        enemy has evasion + magic immunity/purge: mkb

        if none are needed at that time, then you get bloodthorn, which is the pretty much most amazing item on this hero

        skill build: 1-3-1-3-1-4-1-3-3-2-4-2-2-2-s-4-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s

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        Chadzpyre

          hex and bloodthorn warden illusion will kill anyone in hex duration.

          one of the very few heroes that can legit 1v9 with a good enough player.

          Chadzpyre

            hurricane pike is pretty good, just throw spirit when you use active for vision and you can 4 hit most supports.

            just watch some replays from the "Alex the Fool" guy. hes mid 7k or so off of just spamming arc.

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            Wrath

              Ah, thanks fams, very much appreciated.
              Some additional questions:
              1. When do you prefer blink dagger over pike and sb?
              2. What hero is the hardest to play against as arc warden and how do you handle it?
              3. Can arc play as a safelane carry in dual-lane scenario? Does it change the build?

              Karellen

                hey I said midas in almost every game, but I'm sure there are some extremely rare isntances where you just shouldn't. I don't like to speak in absolutes with dota

                IME I get shadow blade when they have a hero like PA so I can get rid fo that evasion. You can get both sb and blink fyi

                Blink is super aggressive. A support si farming a wave, just bots > blink and he's dead usually. You don't always need it but yeah.

                You can even dive people with blink , balanced stuff

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                  1. when almost never, the hurricane pike stats are amazing, unless there's nothing to set me up for positioning then i combo blink + hurricane

                  but it's only in extreme cases

                  2. anything that can jump and burst your main warden,
                  you get the appropriate mobility items to counter it

                  3. yep, you just don't buy full wraith, you go for hte compoenents without the slippers of agility which you buy at the side shop

                  so recepie + circlet + salve +tango

                  p,s soy, no midas isn't in ALMOST every game,

                  1 IT'S IN EVERY GODAMN ARC GAME, unless you're retarded to throw away extra couple hundred gpm/xpm

                  2 pa is a natural bkb carry, she'll remove it with bkb. mkb counters pa

                  3 you don't need to jump anyone as an arc when pushing, you can just take towers from lowground

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                  Karellen

                    Eyy I'm pretty sure silver edge became dispellable in 6.87?

                    COokie 2k confiremd??

                    Karellen

                      Oh btw, sure mkb counters PA but bloodthorn can be superior. If you can get it before she gets any items well she's just forced to go BKB rush which SUCKS on pa tbh

                      Chadzpyre

                        if you are getting a bloodthorn before the enemy pa is close to bkb then you've probably already won.

                        Jacked

                          Double Dagon is quite effective for win games boys. Trust me.

                          Celine

                            For pub games*
                            Why shit on one hero when you can shit on five?

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                              whatever, i wouldn't care

                              even if silveredge is better vs pa, i'd still get hurricane and mkb because when she jumps you so that you can force her away

                              if she has a dust, you're fucked with silver edge

                              blood isnt good vs pa, mkb is

                              Perte

                                @soy Shadow walk and Break is not the same thing

                                🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                  nah, he's right: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Break

                                  it can't be purged off, but it doesn't apply if enemy is under spell immunity. i had the interaction backwards in my head

                                  Soggy Coochie Enthusiast

                                    Ive been meaning to ask, what are your hotkeys? Do you use the regular grouping keys or static "select hero" "select all units" and "select all other units"? And what is your base set of actions when, say, you are about to engage a target? Mine is still a bit rough, usually ult>select all units>tab>slow(clone)>spark wraith>tab>spark wraith>attack>slow again when first debuff is about to end>attack. Still having trouble with simultaneously splitting up and having to deal with separate issues like original hero getting jumped and clone somehow is walking god knows where to.

                                    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                      F1- hero
                                      F2 courier
                                      F3 cour deliver items
                                      F4 cur speed burst

                                      123 itrms quick cast
                                      Alt +123 items normal cast
                                      456(space for last slot on quickcast as well) for normal cast items
                                      Qwerdf spells quick cast
                                      Alt+qwerdf spells normal cast

                                      Y select all units
                                      X select all other units
                                      Cvbn controll groups

                                      Particular kill combo dependant on thr situation

                                      Basic lvl 6-9 combo in lane;
                                      R q tab q e tab e ctrl+rightclick

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                                      rice cake

                                        "4k become 2k because cookies" remember the meme everyone?

                                        dead

                                          ^fucker off, you are

                                          Celine

                                            Banned free cookies this forum

                                            Jacked

                                              fucker of you are. oh gets me everytime