nope, never
bs is a shit hero that only works in shit tier mmr
you'd only lower the chances of your team winning
against competent enemies, having a jungler means you lose other lanes and the jungler gets ganked by their dual support combo.
TBH, considering he can get his lvl 6 at 4:15 if he gets a huge erection, or 5:00 at the latest, I can't even get mad at people picking it, it gets better considering people at 3k can't even trilane properly, so that leaves you a solo offlaner with a ton of exp, and your whole team gets higher net worth. BS can also act supportish and help the farming carry be healing him etc.
I would probably not pick/like BS jungle above something like 3.5k MMR or something, since it falls off the higher the MMR is.
cookie is bullshitting.
bs jungle has been picked in comp. bs jungle is being used to boost even to 7k. Usually then you want your offlaner to be utility and not a farming role who can buy some wards on the go, as you lack some slots on bs in midgame.
usually not. definately viable vs antimage or smth tho, you just need to end game when bs spikes.
@BSJ, like i said, it can work, but I guess most games i had played against bs jungle, I beat it
but hey I'm just a 4k scrub so idk, if it works at competitive dota, so be it
Cookies have star~
BSJ have a house~
and their opinion is so different~
So the question come,star or house better?
I like picking bs vs slark, QoP, trust me it works well in 4k
I usually get a dagon after midas, it's legit actually
u guys act like a 3k playing bs is the same as a 6k playing bs. It is completely different. Have you guys seen what happens when a 6k plays bs, holy shit the game is over in 15 mins he is 20-0 with lvl 5 dagon at 15 mins.
You show me 1 support that is 20-0 with lvl 5 dagon farm.
I don't think it is very good normally, even if BS goes 10-0 from jungle it falls off massively once teamfights begin in favour of stuff with more utility.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2731544440
BS was 12-0 or something silly by 20 minutes with a dagon 5, but because that hero can't push towers and does very little in 5v5 clashes I was very comfortable split-pushing my way to an easy victory. If they had another support with teamfight utility or a more useful jungler like Axe or Enigma although they wouldn't have opened up a massive midgame lead I think they would have had a much better chance of actually closing out the game.
@cutnpaste
that build of bs is absolute fucking trash by itself and even more so vs your heroes.
and just so u know whoever says they easily shut down bs in 4k. OFC FUCKING 4KS CAN'T EVEN JUNGLE EFFICIENTLY, LET ALONE KNOW SKILL BUILDS OR WHAT TO FUCKING DO WITH THEIR HEROES XDDDDDDDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN_fB0ZlvEg
educational video for sub 7ks on what bs can actually do
Maelk
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/59457413/matches?hero=bloodseeker
IDK how to trilane…
Feels like an ass leeching exp but without lvl3 I cant secure kills in lane Dunno how to catch up later while roaming 24/7 waiting for ganks wrding
Trilane just dont exist below 4k
Dagon BS is really delicate shit and falls off hard
Blademail is the meta, so I will just stick with it.
Nah fam, sometimes there's just nothing to kill especially if lanes were won. Midas is fine on him my dude
Vs slark with a shitty am yeah I rushed an aghs to fuck up slark's day http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2725746742
Vs shitty draft ez game dagon midas ez http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2724032678
midas was super good on him back when he was like 3rd most picked hero, but people would offlane him and stuff though.
the build is different now, midas is still probably ok and ags can be worth it.
What the hell is wrong with u all. The only way bs is viable now is if he goes aghs. Solves all the problems he faces. Stop going Midas Dagon pls.
I love bs since always, i have many games on him with 66,6% wr so I'd say hes viable even in 5k, anyways its true that you cant pick it every single game as I did in 3k, people actually counter you hard its not fun.
About the dagon talk, I've never been a fan of it but sometimes its the best item you can get if there are multiple stuns in the other team and you know you wont be able to manfight anyone. I was thinking of a game I remember that I won with dagon bs and it was actually thanks to the dagon, now that I found that game I've seen Cookie was on it. (I sealed the match pretty much by burstin the tb down with dagon after buyback). Here's the ID: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2659615434
Not sure how you calculated that to get 8.6, but keep in mind those also include party mmr (isnt any option to split party and solo mmr?), I've actually gained 1,3k-> 5,4k (4,1) and 1,8k > 5k (3,2) --> 7,3k from both in total. I also remember I had a "team" with some friends and we had team mmr so those didnt count as in party mmr.
First of all if u r high skilled or very high skilled scrub dont read this, I dare you, I double dare you.
So, to the thread. Bs is actually a good hero to play jungle. He can make huge threat on every lane. Ganks at lvl 6 at 5th min of a game with such powerfull ulti is kinda good in early stage of game. About its build theres only one answer, scapter.
BS is not worst support around. You can take him as a counter vs AM or Slark or as damage amplifier for your nukers.
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What the hell is wrong with u all. The only way bs is viable now is if he goes aghs. Solves all the problems he faces. Stop going Midas Dagon pls."
no hero makes more use of Dagon than blood seeker, stop spewing shit man
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/187821407
check this guy out, goes jungle bs same build every game (phase wind lace dagon 5 blink eblade or something), played with him several times when he was mid 5k, now hes 6k
silence lvl 2 is nice if in group, to stack camps for offlane or mid to clear.
I kind of hate blood, but it really depends on what a second support is going to do. If they just sit offlane leeching xp from offlaner and not zoning out enemy carry or killing them then it's a waste. Trilane almost always sucks too. But if they rotate and get successful ganks it's the best thing to have ever. People just need to pick impactful supports and win lanes.
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The more i play this meta the more i feel like the 2nd support in a game sucks and does nothing. Like a bloodseeker jungle almost always better for the team and line up than a 2nd support. What do you guys think?
Bloodseeker just farms so fast now. On average at 10 mins he always gets 4.8k-5.4k networth. That is more than mid or carry in most games.