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    ywn

      Keepo

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        Meepo can probably burst more, but as 2 AWs and 4 manta illus hits a bloodthorned target, his DPS is higher (even shits on TB actually)

        this isnt a real thread, just wanted to say that

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        monkeybiotics

          him and clinkz can get over 4k DPS with
          Daedalus deso moon travel diffusal mkb bloodthron
          heroes like ck, morph, tb can only just hit 3k+ 7 slootted

          Celine

            But AW can't permabash a hero
            Kappa

            Perte

              i'd say meepo 1st and arc warden 2nd but not with a manta it will lower your dps even with a bloodthorn

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                CK, TB hit 5k consistently, AW can hit 5.5k(saw it peak at 5.8k or so but whatevevr) and keep it up for a few seconds too. Most top dps heroes can hit 5k.

                Anyone saying manta lowrs dps for all agi heroes is retarded kthxbye. For CK you spam heart, dont buy manta.

                Keep in mind I said SINGLE TARGET, hence it isn't all that practical in a real game.

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                Perte

                  i know you said single target go test it on a dummy before calling someone retard i tested this hero for hours with every combination,
                  manta is even worse than a daedalus (daedalus is not a good dps item for arc warden if you didnt know it already)

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                    as i said, i just checked with manta and i got 5.8k dps peak.

                    but i use full 6 slotted items without boots.

                    to be precise, 3x butterfly, diffusal2, Bloodthorn and Manta. Pretty much same as I use with almost all other AGI heroes because it's teh best DPS option.

                    TO make manta work you need to stack agi, obviously, though. And you need to summon manta illusions with your tempest double as well, not just main hero.

                    If you don't like stacking butterflies, don't, but to reach the peak DPS potential of almost any Agility hero, you must ultimately maximise their agility gain!

                    If you were to swap Manta for Daedalus in this setup, you'd likely end up with less than 4.5k dps.

                    Sorry didn't mean to offend.

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                    A

                      od will fucked em up

                      Hatsune Miku

                        in theory lc outdamges everyone

                        Perte

                          i get it we were talking about different situations my calculations were based on a working item build and yours were about getting highest dps as possible, so yes manta works with your way. Just wanted to say that manta doesnt give you highest dps with a proper build (which includes bot hex so yeah)

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                            You can find yourself in a 70 minute throne rush game and use that build too (no boots max agility stack) if it's necessary, but it's entirely for test purposes to see which heroes can theoretically output the highest dps.

                            Manta is still the max DPS item (if you are 6 slotted with BOTs and other items aiming for max DPS... even with Skadi, the dps inflicted is still greater than the alternatives) unless you are going for an utility/nuker build (hex, dagon, etc) or tesla (aoe dps) build.

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                            dunce

                              OP is 1k btw

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                                Sadly, even if I was 1k, that doesn't change the facts now does it?

                                dunce

                                  This information will never be any useful

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                                    i know, because dps (especially single-target) isn't really that important in a game of dota.

                                    probably the most useful part about this is the point where 4 illusions and double go rat towers fast as fuck

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                                    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                      manta builds are godamn awful on arc

                                      magnetic and attack speed modifiers dont affect illusions

                                      mkb blood deso moon 2x rapier

                                      7.3k dps

                                      manta is retarded on arc, dont build it.

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                                      Reese

                                        4 illusions with 20 damage each EleGiggle

                                        dunce

                                          hold on, manta + radiance works on arc

                                          Corvus Corax

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                                              4 illusions with 20 damage each EleGiggle

                                              if you build stats (skadi manta bfly diffusal etc), each illussion hits for ~1/4 of your total damage, means all 4 manta illusions hit almost like an extra arc warden. Realistically speaking, it's 4 illusions with 80 damage each. It's not rly negligible. but it likely isn't worth building arc that way lul.

                                              But if you let these hit a tower, they will take 80% of it's health if not killed (because they will expire since you wont be summoning them at the towr, more like summon them as you break one tower so they walk to the next one)
                                              if you take deso instead of skadi, the illusions can kill the entire tower by themselves.

                                              but as cookie said it's a fucking gimmicky build and probably sucks for anything other than raw dps (and even then daedalus stacking is arguably better).

                                              doesnt change the fact that arc warden is best single target dps :P even if not using manta

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                                              Hanamichi Sakuragi

                                                Your statements are true, but you exaggerated some parts which makes you look like a dumbass. Here let me make it clear to everyone. About 3 waves of Tempest and 4 Illusions takes down a tower safely by themselves (It's like SD and Morph thingy). You can only do that build if you can depend on your allies in teamfights. It provides you lockdown, reduces all of their options, and gives tankiness. Skadi is better when doing this Manta build along with Diffusal. Based on what it provides you, you need to rely on another damage dealer.
                                                The build that most Arc players use gives you 1-2 free kills (no matter who the hero is) and more dps. You can definitely see which is better.

                                                jo~

                                                  You should definitely not build stats on this hero

                                                  Lunatic

                                                    Enigma can do 100k dps to 5 heroes
                                                    so no, arc warden not even top 5

                                                    jo~

                                                      Single target or u can't read

                                                      Lunatic

                                                        ^^
                                                        lol so whats the difference then ? it doesnt matter i was just saying that he can kill 5 heroes but the damage is absolute

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                                                        A waifu a day keeps socie...

                                                          How do you throne rush with no boots rofl

                                                          EBELEX.COM

                                                            Is it a joke? becuz CK is laughing his ass off

                                                            EBELEX.COM

                                                              Aswell as 6-rapiered troll

                                                              Luxon

                                                                As long as no rapiers are involved I think meepo beats everyone with DPS.
                                                                Otherwise I'd go for bloodseeker with double bloodrage, or maybe

                                                                Na`Vi.Miracle-

                                                                  ^Bloodseekers steroid is pretty lackluster.

                                                                  These threads are so stupid.
                                                                  Highest DPS is always gonna be enigma/huskar because they can do high percent based damage

                                                                  🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                                                    huskar is good 10.5k is best i could get on him

                                                                    wr 11.5k is the highest i could make

                                                                    i didnt use cheaty heroes, that have infinite dps like ursa, pudge or underlord infinite stacks

                                                                    edit: max units spawned, 450k on ul

                                                                    pudge infinite pretty much

                                                                    ursa rises by 150 dps per attack

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                                                                    Dire Wolf

                                                                      What's sf do? That -armor debuff plus innate dmg seems like he'd be pretty high vs other heroes.

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                                                                        Guys rapier doesn't count, it's a cheat item. I got 15k on PA with it but that doesn't mean shit.

                                                                        Without Rapiers or item-based armor reduction Arc Warden seems to be best.

                                                                        other heroes can reach competitive levels, some even higher, but they all have large cooldowns or conditions to have such high dps, unlike arc. Like troll with 7 fervor stacks and battle trance can reach 6k without rapiers too, but who are you gonna be hitting for so long that you already have 7 stacks and they aren't dead yet...

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