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General DiscussionClimbing MMR ladder in shitty 2k

Climbing MMR ladder in shitty 2k in General Discussion
Cataclisma

    I calibrated at around 2400 and now I just keep going down. Now I'm 2164. It's so hard to communicate with teammates when they don't know how to listen. Usually, when they see a lone hero in a lane, they don't even think whether or not that hero has backup so they just keep going in and because of this, since I play support, I'm obliged to help them and try to rescue them. Sometimes, when we snowball and get a good 2 or 3 kills, they don't pay attention to objectives and carry on harassing enemies until we're so deep into the map that they all die eventually. I try my best to get good picks and do my supporting well. I rarely flame teammates unless they're total douchebags. I want to improve my solo MMR but I guess players who think are really rare in this bracket. Any tips on how to climb given this situation? I just really think that I have more knowledge than most of the players in this bracket and I feel I deserve to climb up and start to learn new things from higher MMR players.

    #Just2KThings

    Suika

      My advice is to pick carries than can withstand 1 v 5 fights since your teammates can be quite unreliable and expect to outfarm the enemy carry bcs most of the time feeds will happen. Fellow 2k player (altho i managed to climb to 3k party mmr)

      Cataclisma

        Lol don't even ask me about my party MMR. I've had a bad run with my friends with Party MMR and I ahven't taken it seriously as much as I do with my solo.

        That's the problem though, I really can't pick carries because 80% of the time, I get teamed up with players who dont know how to play other roles aside from carry.

        Mushi

          Try to coordinate them instead of helping them. Like telling them to go gank some shit when you know going late game is suicide for your team, alt+click on your smoke, read the enemy position/heading and teammate's death to tell where the wards might be. Don't die while trying to save them; leave yourself unless you can actually do some shit to extend that retard's life (VS's ult, Dazzle's Grave) AND that the retard is worth saving (i.e.: most important carry, or disabler who has no buyback)

          Cataclisma

            That's what I exactly do in each and every game I play. They just don't listen. thanks for the advice though.

            Front

              i can boost u bro., if ur just intrested

              Cataclisma

                No thanks bruh. btw, good win rates.

                YO.G<Jiyuu>

                  Pick hard farming carry like tb,am,naga,alche,etc.... Then farm safe and effeciently for 30 mins after that u will have 2 options either to fight againts your opponents with your teammates or go full rat/ split push. If your team is coordinating with you i prefer the first option go and fight/clash 5v5,if however your teammates have their on world playing dota by themselves or you cant win 5v5 againts enemy's line up i prefer the 2nd option go split push and hope for the best

                  Sorry for bad english

                  -4.5mmr player

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                  Cataclisma

                    I've been contemplating using split push heroes for a while now and I hope it works. Thanks!

                    Toffee

                      sad to say im also stuck in 2k from 2.3 calib i got to 2.6 in less than 1week .. but after i got to 2.6 i just keep winning and losing at the same time so now im currently stuck at 2.6

                      D the Superior
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                          Smurf above me.

                          Carrier

                            Yeah i agree picking a carry who can 1v5 is a good idea usualy slark jugg am or alche is good enough in this bracket i climb 3050 to 4050 by having a 60% win rate

                            Zemo-san

                              one legit way would be spamming a very good hero that can "solo win" you a game in 2.4k(invoker, tinker, sven, anti mage)

                              another way could be spamming heroes that people don't really know how to deal with in 2.4k(night stalker, spirit breaker or slark)

                              the best way imho would be just to play your best and win games with your team, it might be the slowest but that is the one real way of climbing the ranks

                              DC.MASON

                                git gud
                                i just had a first hand experience with watching 2k player and i wanted to stab myself

                                M u r d e r

                                  Easy. Don't calibrate so low.

                                  Limbo

                                    Pick meta heroes . Ignore the toxicity ( Mute the fuckers ) . Play as well as you say you can be . Do your best . Don't die in teamfights ( Which would be easy cuz when a fight happens the retards just jump in , die , then blame ) . And if you still lose , Repeat .

                                    Cataclisma

                                      Thanks guys. Especially last one. wowoweewa

                                      wawerrrrs

                                        fundamentals, map awareness, pick heroes that can snowball (do 1v5) and spam timber tilll 10k mmr

                                        Cataclisma

                                          yeah i got 50 mmr in my last 2 games using timber and centaur. thanks! I just realized that supporting retards wont get me anywhere so I have to pick in-the-meta cores before them and hope they dont pick heroes they cant even use properly.

                                          House Cat

                                            My CM winrate fell really down from 60% from supporting in ranked matches. It's really bad :( 33% winrate supporting in 2.5-2.6k mmr rank!!!

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                                            AdzDOTA.xxx.videos.com

                                              You're mmr range 2-2.6 k your max range. Once you got 2.6 k you can't go further

                                              noob_pro

                                                i have climbed from my single account wid 775 callibaration to 3612though this isnt that account (my current mmr 4250)
                                                ya its real hard i know urs feeling playing wid those dumb teammates.i was stuck at 2400 for 3 months i guess bcz every game we had atleast 3 retard hard carry picks who just dont care if u ask them to come for smoke or rosh nd even to push .
                                                I would suggest u never to play supp at that mmr bracket as ur carry will auto attack the enemy creeps nd push the creep wave to enemy tower nd will never listen to u nd wont ever come to take the neutrals stacks which u have done by wasting a lot of ur time.
                                                i would say pick lc,slark,ls bcz opp team r also the the same dumb players who never do team work nd these hero punish the team who dont have teamwork nd always keep dust bcz no other will care to buy dust in ur team nd at this mmr bracket shadow blade is every1 1st priority to rush even without boots nd keep tp bcz opp team will have stupid players who will dive tower nd u can get ez kills to make u fat.

                                                Eternal Meow

                                                  If you try to support this bracket, your team mates will run into stupid places, die and blame you. It sucks. You feel like you need to support because you have good carry picks already, but you have no way to know if the person that picked a carry has any idea what they are doing or not.

                                                  >>I just really think that I have more knowledge than most of the players in this bracket and I feel I deserve to climb up and start to learn new things from higher MMR players.

                                                  The problem is all your team mates think this too. All of them. Whether they are good or not. That's why someone who feeds the most will blame his team the most. They run up and feed and blame, because occasionally this strategy works due to the randomness of the team line ups. Obviously he is amazing and his team is not supporting him properly or he would do great because sometimes he does great. They likely have played some games where they played a carry and stomped with an awesome KDA. They are unable to tell the difference in whether they did well because of their own skill, or because their support was good, or if the enemy team was terrible. They then decide this game represents their true skill if only their team wasn't holding them back. Their primary focus is not on winning the game but in demonstrating how amazing they are. Even if you are on the cusp of victory, they would rather farm or hunt for kills than win.

                                                  noob_pro

                                                    as i told u in above comment that i faced 2.5k mmr bracket for abt 3-4 months due to all these shits but u ll suceed to climb as i did nd in my mmr bracket (4.3k now) most of the games i play are greater than 40 min means we get a good competitive match as all do teamwork by deafult eventhough many of us makes mistake at our bracket also bcz 4.3 r still learners sharping their skills .
                                                    i woul suggest u either stack ur new account to 3k above or try the way i succeeded
                                                    wat i did was i was very gud with few carry heroes which i picked most of the times nd farmed 15 min ignoring all tower push nd just used to keep tp so that can tp nd take ez kills if some 1 dive more
                                                    abt 25% games we dint had cour till 6 min so dont give excuse it happens at that bracket .
                                                    if by chance some1 pick supp they wont ward nd will steal ur farm bcz they need blink ( no excuse it will happen) .i used to play heroes like slark who can farm nd fight early nd won many games on my own taking 25+ kills nd i would like to add that i also tried playing am that failed very badly ,so dont play am at that bracket its a farming hero nd their is chance that most probably u wont be getting that farm to carry as am in that bracket.
                                                    try to talk wid ur teammates from start of game nd atleast out of4 one will be the good one who will listen to you nd leave the other three u 2 do some teamwork nd get few objectives done then others 3 will automatically start following u 2 sooner or later nd dont give up.
                                                    just 1yr b4 i was 775 mmr nd i boosted alone it to 4289
                                                    _ignore my bad english plz

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                                                    psy·che·del·ic

                                                      Wraith king jungle

                                                      Latu LAtu.

                                                        Should i make a new account or continue ?

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                                                        Cataclisma

                                                          @4_'k" mMr nOoB Your success story is amazing lol. Or is that a smurf account you're using? Yeah, I finally decided not to support when im queueing solo ranked and Ive won 3 games straight since and hope that I'll keep consistent. I guess I'll just be supporting in normal queueing for now

                                                          M u r d e r

                                                            Question to anyone who has climbed out of 2k shithole: How do you deal with feeders in your team? How about players who refuse to communicate and afk farm all game until enemy is killing throne? How do you beat enemy carries that go 25/0 by min 20?

                                                            It's all good in calibration, where despite losing my average match mmr increases every match... But when I wil actually need to win in order to climb, I need to know those things...

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                                                            One Man Army

                                                              4_k mmr noob that looks like a new account to me, so i'm not sure how much of what you're saying is true.

                                                              Pretty much the ideal mindset for dota is to acknowledge that you're constantly improving. The way i think about myself is the same way I thought about myself when I to was 3k mmr. If you make dota your life (watch videos, pro gameplay, even take notes from high mmr games, ask advice from higher level players with your replays) then you will improve very very fast.

                                                              Even things like watching an educational stream before you go to bed is extremely helpful. Remember that in 2k mmr a high level player can carry about 90% of his games on his own if he does everything right!

                                                              If you have a sense of entitlement i suggest you lose it, all it does it help fuel your ego and hinder your learning. It's not your right to be a higher mmr it's something you earn through hard work and commitment :)

                                                              I would suggest leaving support in 2k and playing core if you want to gain mmr quickly,

                                                              Obviously if everyone has marked carry roles then yeah play a support, but you should try and score carry mid or offlane as in lower support has a much lower impact.

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                                                              Scorpio

                                                                4Head Kappa

                                                                noob_pro

                                                                  yeah this is my new account i left my previous account after i was 3.6k as i thought i am in position that i can stack my new account to 4k nd i did same i stacked this one at 4.1 and now after 15 days of stacking i am 4.4 solo mmr this account.
                                                                  @ggggg i agree with u
                                                                  if i say u wont beleive me that i almost download nd watch 30% of miracle pub game in which he plays hard carry or mid hero like invoker inorder to improve myself nd yes this is true my mmr was 775 b4 1yr 2 month nd i played my first online dota game abt 1 yr 4 month before .
                                                                  @ggg as u said above hard work nd commitment

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                                                                  noob_pro
                                                                    i trust my team

                                                                      it is possible to climb i climbed from 1.2 to 3k my advise is try to just ignore wht ur team does stupidly just see the game 1v5 and go with the flow try to spam mid hero
                                                                      since if u play carry there will be no support if u play support the carry is just retarded

                                                                      midQ

                                                                        4_'k" mMr nOoB dotabuff says you are 4014 mmr so you lost sh+t ton of mmr or you are simply lying;-)

                                                                        analytical analizer

                                                                          dont play supports in 2k unless you are mentally retarded and like wasting your time for no rewards or self improvement

                                                                          midQ

                                                                            As you claim 4.4k 30 mins back tho...dude that makes you look stupid af. Just calm your lying tits.

                                                                            monkeybiotics

                                                                              @interito deos
                                                                              when theres a carry going 25/0
                                                                              just farm and hope you can kill them for that phat 2000+ bounty and then 1v9 or fail miserably and ez -25

                                                                              i calibrated at 1002 *coughteamheldmebackcough*
                                                                              didnt play ranked for a bit and started playing meepo
                                                                              like 1 week of meepo solo ranked and i was at 1.7k
                                                                              meepo and ebola shitter are nice as fuck in ranked
                                                                              HIGH IMPACT HEROES just like MEPPO the PEPPO and you will climb quite easy
                                                                              honestly i found 2.7k mmr the hardest shit to get out of especially on aus with all the peenoise always getting kicked down to 2.6 when you hit that shit
                                                                              3k to 3.9 is a breeze because people have a a smidgeon of a brain there

                                                                              noob_pro

                                                                                hey dude above was asked how to get out of 2k shit nd i gave my opinion bcz i hard workjed the shit out of 770 to 4.4k in a yr .
                                                                                so mind ur fucking language nd i dont take responsibility if dotabuff dont update my mmr if u wanna see my mmr 4.4k go see in dota its shown in my profile current mmr frnd id :353351956
                                                                                And m done with this discussion as if even now anyone dont wanna believe me i dont give a shit and the one who believes me and wanna know hoW i get out of shit mmr brackets can read my above comments from start.

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                                                                                midQ

                                                                                  4_'k" mMr nOoB dude ok however most of your sentences don't make sense I get it. And you DID NOT climb from 770 to 4.4k..you just made smurf. Maybe you are decent player(as you do well on your smurf)but don't make yourself look more cool. On dotabuff I can easily see all the informaion.

                                                                                  noob_pro

                                                                                    and i alrdy posted that i used to play few heoes like slark lifestealer tide am omni to increase mmr .
                                                                                    read above comments u idiot and i never denied that i dint made new account i changed my account 2 times
                                                                                    1.first stack 770 i carried it to 2.7k (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198213890888)"2k mmr noob!!!"
                                                                                    2.callibrate at 2.7 carried to 3.6 then lost many rank games continuously dropping to 3.3 nd decided stacking new account .(http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198268770995)"3 'k"_mMR nOoB".
                                                                                    3. callibration at 4064 now 4.4k*current account)
                                                                                    now plz fuck off if u dont believe me nd want some more proof.

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                                                                                    midQ

                                                                                      4_'k" mMr nOoB I can read but you don't understand english, re.ta.rd(or at least you don't get the point most of the time)Just improve your english when you want to argue and call someone idiot.

                                                                                      Tsuna-Fro

                                                                                        Playing support in 2k not gonna work very well. Just play carry, in my opinion playing support is more harder then carry. So u already used playing that hard role. It should be a little easier if u training how to carry. Atleast until u hit 3k after that u know what to do.

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                                                                                        hellblazer

                                                                                          Kill mid few times, call him out in all chat, watch him loose his cool and make costly mistakes, win game.