it also helps u farm and u can do it safely so yeah it's worth. if u have no dmg till 50mins then ur doing something wrong honestly cuz u should have 7 items @50 mins and probably another 5k gold lying around
the regen is good for me in early-mid so i dont need to go back to regen, not sure about manta tho
this guy might be crazy, and i wouldnt copy everything he does, but hell give you some good reasons why to avoid linken and manta and set up some possible replacements for those items, who indeed focus more on ur role, which is to sit on ur ass and AFK right click like a bitch, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynT3RcmGOLE
also on a note from me personally, dont pick medusa into a line up of magical users, she needs rightclick dps allies to make her Ult work
I saw waga recently going for phase, mask of madness, dragon lance, casual yasha, butterfly. Linken's is alright but i would never buy it every game, manta is just pure shit.
Linkens has stats and a lot of regen. Mana regen on medusa is insanely good because of how spell shield works. And typically you only need to block one spell to get your ult off so linkens ensures that. Medusa becomes almost unkillable with linkens.
But you are right you usually need at least one farming/damage item before it. Usually if you go Aquila, yasha, linkens that's fine. But I don't build linkens every game. Skadi is core and you often don't need both.
Manta is bad but yasha is good or even sange and yasha.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2529439601
Lost with Linken's and Manta got them relatively early since I went mid. Tinker's laser and Drow's silence + WK stun made me get them, also all the support from my teammates that I should. Tried taking objectives realized the creeps had more damage than me on enemy Heroes so I resorted to split pushing. I feel like I should've went full dmg build since we could capitalize on all our phys dmg output. There was a fucking base race and we lost since not enuf dmg lmao.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2522754492
Won with full phys dps build, had a Daedalus on cour but it failed to reach me rofl. Ignored teammates begging me to get Manta to get rid of all the shitty debuffs like surprise Orchid initiation since they didn't want their hard-earned carry to feed. Went YOLO worked better than the "cost-efficient beast", Manta. Don't understand why people swear by Linken's and Manta just not worth it. Like you survive every teamfight but you lose each one too.
I found butterfly. Skadi. Manta are core i build it every match
Then i chose one defensive item between linken or stanic or bkb or sometimes AC
then one damage item like daedlus. Mkb (more often) or divine rapier
Linkens is good on Medusa, although not needed every game or other items give you more in a specific situation. While Manta is complete fuckin shit on medusa, unless they have mass silences n shit. And even then BKB is probably better choise.
if u think carefully., only medusa is the hero that need all the stats (int,str ,agi) so those ulti orbs wouuld really benefit her
I really think a lot of the hate directed against the traditional Medusa build is mostly based on that video by that Aussie, which became a meme on Reddit. I tested out his build and it wasn't really that much better than my normal build.
That being said, my build was always Linken->Millojnir (interchangeable) ->Skadi->Manta.
mantas fine for certain games so u dont get owned by debuffs
also she isnt a good bkb carrier so those 2 items serves as a replacement though its certainly not the ideal go-to every game
Aether that first game manta was a godly pickup, you have two silences and laser to dispel. But a bkb would've been better than linkens considering how much magic they have. Tinker, puck and aghs mirana. However I think you guys lost cus they ran a drow strat vs a team with 4 cores, you all robbed each others farm. Jug with battlefury only 200 cs, an aghs tiny with 3 cs/min. It's god awful. Tiny couldn't get farm and only did 500 tower dmg which is pathetic. So once lifestealer starts to fall off against drow and tinker your team is toast.
Your second game skadi and satanic is plenty of defense. Maybe just try yasha and don't upgrade it, it's a great farming item.
mom sounds good in theory but when i use it in actual games yasha feels much better
Mask of madness is good, I still build it quite a bit. Idk if going mom into divine is good though, I'd be too scared of dropping divine before I got skadi at least.
Why all the hate towards manta? I would argue that linkens is the more useless item. Perserverance and regen is over-rated compared to manta/scythe. Yasha is a much more natural build up item compared to perserverance. It gives dmg, armor, speed all of which combined with aquilla and phase make early game dusa quite formidable compared to fucking perseverance dusa. Manta is also good for dodging and scales well with split shot and skadi and butterfly - dusas core items. In fact, linkens is the shit item while manta is pretty great as a early rush item on dusa
Go Manta (defensive, and split push) into skadi (for the stats), them build dmg, like mkb, crits,etc.
getting tired of explaining this over and over but manta actually costs medusa ehp because the mana cost to use the item is so high. Her illusions don't hit for dick so it's only worth it as a defensive item, providing minimal upgrade over yasah when you consider what the use mana cost really costs her. You're spending a ton of gold for 10 agi basically.
Sange and yasha on the other hand is cheaper, more move speed, a maim proc that is useful, plus hp, it can be considered. But overall a naked yasha is probably the way to go.
People bag on linken's cus the build up has like no dmg and they lose cus medusa's rush it and can't farm fast enough. I bag on those players too. But if you go aquila, yasha, that's really enough to farm anything you need and then linkens is fine as a defensive item.
Skadi,TPB,Daedalus,Linken,Butterfly,Satanic,Moonshard
pretty much anything you need.
if you really need it change linken to rapier.
Your illusions get your split shot passive,so late game that is tons of damage output. It's like 300% extra damage if u hit multiple enemies.
You don't rly need linkens.
Manta skadi mjollnr bkb into physical DPs can be good. I like to get helm of dominator. Constant HP Regen stack ancients, and builds into satanic
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Or you can yolo and play Medusa the right way..
Phase boots > mask of madness > bkb > divine rapier ;)
Illusions just don't do that much dmg, even with split shot. Look at a 6 slotted medusa with skadi, phase, mkb, butterfly, manta and linkens. I threw in linkens just cus the stats benefit illusions. With split shot on that's 182 base dmg. That means illusions are hitting for 40 dmg with their own splitshot turned on too. That sounds like a lot but remember that's before armor reductions. In reality they're hitting targets for like 20 dmg. Ok so they hit 5 targets, 5x40 = 200 dmg a hit, seems like a lot of dps. But remember the cost of having manta in that slot. If you swap it out for like a daedulus medusa's dmg jumps from 450 a pop to 494 and that doesn't include crit on the main target. So she does more dmg than a single illusion by swapping in a better dps item. I'm not even going to try to calc dps cus illusions attack at a different rate but the hero always attacks faster and does even more dps gain that just the difference in raw dmg.
Six slotted medusa doesn't really want yasha, s&y or manta which is why you probably should just go yasha and sell it later.
Here's calculator I used.
http://devilesk.com/dota2/apps/hero-calculator?id=undefined
6 slotted medusa is probably going to be boots of travel, butterfly, skadi, (linkens OR bkb OR satanic), and then the last two are some combo of mkb, daedulus, rapier, depending if you need truestrick and are willing to carry a rapier. Some games you can probably get by without a likens or bkb in favor of another dmg item.
You get manta because you are alrdy buying Yasha to farm and if you need to disjoint/remove silences. Obviously if you don't need a disjoint then just keep it a yasha
Come on guys, make the revolutionary build on medusa!!
Phase -> Dragon Lance -> Skadi -> Orchid -> Hurricane Pike -> Bloodthorn -> Butterfly -> Divine.
you wouldnt get 6 stat items ud get 2-3 then get damage items..
skadi linkens manta is enough stats.. from there you can get daedelus moon shard mkb mjoilnr type items..
Linkens is ok I guess but to get both is completely useless. you are spending all the gold to avoid 1 "spell" mind you and die from attacks. Manta is even worse since you SPEND mana to avoid 1 more spell if you manage too. and the intel stats you gain are useless since you spend more mana using the manta than the mana you gain from the item.
Linken's is shit on her. As a support player I get pissed when people go Linken's, or even worse. . . rush linken's.
Like, think about it. Okay, you made a linken's. Congrats. But you hit like a little girl about to be abducted into a van.
Linken's on 'dusa is situational. Honestly, you are better off going bkb about 70% of the time.
Linken's is a good pick they have target-based ults.
But Lotus Orb is actually pretty nice on 'dusa, even better than Linken's, it's super underrated.
Medusa players that go Linken's are easy to deal with if it's a balanced game and not a one-sided one.
5k3 player here, Im not main Medusa but usually I would go phase+aquila+drum/drag lance/mjo+skadi+mkb+butterfly, bloodstone is viable too, especially against a Nix
Your end-game 6 slot should be : Boots+Skadi+MKB+Butterfly+Rapier+BKB/Linken(if you really need it) /Bloodstone/ Or most of the time you would want to carry an Aegis since you had a rapier in stock.
You shouldnt rush Linken+ Manta first for Medusa, thats only viable for Morphling, not Medusa.
do people really buy manta for the damage? personally i like it to help farm/push out lanes, to dispel silences and to cause confusion in team fights but i'm under no illusion (sorry) that it helps me hit hard.
linkens rush is just dumb as fuck. i'm normal skill and even i know that...
dragon lance doesn't increase split shot range does it? i can see the cheap stats are nice but isn't it tedious when you are out of split shot range?
yeah I don't like lance for that reason, your attack range will exceed split shot range, so isn't that useful, and for stats I can get other stuff. It's sweet when a hero wants to get tanky but still get agility like drow or TB, but medusa's going skadi core anyway.
And that's the point, you don't buy manta for dmg, so it's very situational.
Linken's is kind of too but the situations in which it's needed are more.
yes i report anyone who goes linken on dusa and everyone should do the same till ppl understand
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I mean you spend $5000 to block 1 spell and another 5000 to dodge 1 spell do no damage and waste mana! Please tell how this is useful when you got no damage for 50 minutes.