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General DiscussionHelp with spectra items build please

Help with spectra items build please in General Discussion
Bublik

    1. Dfusal blade - is it a core ? if so when should i be getting it ? aftter manta or earlier ?
    2. When to go skaddi / heart / butterfly ? what items to build first 2nd etc..
    3. Building bkb is it worth it when enemy team has a lot of heros with stuns ? if so then after what item should i get it
    4. Vlads or HoD worth it ? if so when and what my starting items should be if im planning on getting one of them items
    5. Basher - is it a good item for spec ? if so when should i be getting it and in what order

    this is ~ 3k mmr

    Oldman

      Safest build is to go brown boots (or phase as some like) + Vanguards, and farm radiance. Then only experience decides what item u want. Dont waste money on Urn or Drums. YOur team should buy it.

      1. Diffusal is situational for example against WK. IF u go diff build then first diff then manta.

      2. U should get heart almost always when u can. It synergize with your passive. Butterfly as a late game luxury if no one bought mkb. Skadi - personally never get it.

      3. Personally i prefer taking damage rather than avoiding it. Blade mail is nice here. People just kill themselves on u, unless they have bkb. But its personal. Some may flame this, but usually they dont play this hero much or dont understand power of spectre passive.

      4. never

      5. Abysal against high mobility heroes is legit as a late game luxury.

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      U are all dogshit

        Stout circlet branch branch into quelling into wand phase urn drums yash radiance/manta radiance/diffusal butter/heart/radiance etc etc.

        Bublik

          rads build sounds good, with vangs i can jungle n stuff but i guess its only worth going for if i had a good free farm lane?

          thx for tips man

          Oldman

            Yes. Higher mmr players will say that u should go Urn + Drums build. But 5-6k are all about most cost-effective items and playstyle is much different than 3k. They push faster. Games are much shorter and usually its much harder to farm.

            On 3k people leave tons of space for farming. Sometimes u can even go straight for radiance, but u may get flamed if u die saving for relic.

            sayaka

              Usually yes, after manta
              Heart if u are frontline and lots of chip and magic dmg, skAdi for mixed, butterfly if lots of physical
              No, think I wud only get it against nec
              No
              Yes, third or fourth item

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              Bublik

                yeah its still pretty hard tho if enemy team is snowballing like crazy and we have no wards on map i end up running around like a tard wasting time or dying when trying to get some farm from lanes ( think i should just get my own ward and put it in jungle so i dont get jumped on ) they only like 75 gold but i always forget >:

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                TheMaverick427

                  I wouldn't recommend getting radiance as your first item after boots. I like to get a vanguard first then build radiance, other people like urn+drums into radiance. Its more down to personal preference and playstyle.

                  Both Manta and Diff Blade can be considered core items. You should definitely be getting one most games and often you will get both. The order depends on the game.

                  For heart vs skadi, I personally think skadi is better for fighting but heart is still good for many situations. You will need to decide on a game by game basis. Get butterfly if the enemy had a lot of physical damage and once you're reasonably tanky.

                  BKB is an item you get if you feel you need BKB. Its not the best item for spectre but some games you really do need it.

                  Lifesteal is not optimal for spectre. Youre all about making scary haunt illusions and murdering everyone. If you want to get them to help jungle, get vanguard instead.

                  Basher is good late game if you need lockdown badly. Its really good once upgraded into an abyssal since you can haunt on someone, stun them and kill them. But get your other core items first.

                  yung griphook

                    im normal skill, so take this for what it's worth, but

                    I've been going the typical wand, phase, urn drums to start and although it delays your major items by a bit, it gives you enough stats to survive the early skirmishes. In my bracket there is no inbetween, teams with either 5 man all game or will go by for 15 minutes passively farming. If i'm constantly being ganked, I like the stats to help me survive. It also makes snowballing easier with urn, as you're essentially using your ulti to kill steal in the beginning.

                    I usually go into manta radiance or manta diffusal radiance. Manta is so good for killing someone quickly. After that I almost always go heart. At this point it's the icing on the cake and you can usually just win. After that if I get to it, butter/ abbsyal/ diffusal 2

                    Although I am probably not qualified to give advice, I am also in your bracket, and have won my last like 7-8 spec games in a row. But like you, I am also in this thread to learn so take it for what you will

                    muki

                      diffusal is great if you're playing against heroes that depend on spells and less on right click. or heroes that depend on mana to stay alive, like wraith king and medusa.

                      against right click heroes, it's still ok, but that gold might be used better on something else.