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Redspada

    Actually I am a bit confused in leveling skills, my old build usually say max heartstopper after pulse and I love it, but my friend told me i should max sadist after pulse, and I feel it good. I usually play at offlane/hardlane, so which build I should go?

    Pale Mannie

      Playing passive: max sadist after pulse
      Playing active : max aura after pulse idk

      Blink and blademail are core items if you want to surrive

      Riguma Borusu

        This really depends on what kind of lane you're up against and how much cs you manage to get, actually. If you're getting CS regularly, you should take sadist asap because that gives you great lane sustain, which makes further farming even better. Unless you're against a trilane as a solo necro, you can do fine with maxing sadist first after death pulse. But always take death pulse first, just to be mana efficient.

        Also, if you're against most melee laners with shit sustain, your lane is auto won, and it literally does not matter what you skill at all, they'll get rekt by death pulse if they come close, by heartstopper if they stand in your vicinity, and by sadist if they try to trade harass with you. Advice above is meant against a lane where you're actually contested, otherwise just take what you think you'll need for fights, ganks, etc.

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        Rocket

          sadist was buffed so you are probably following a ancients guide or just an old build :)

          just get the minimum amount of points in aura that you need to compete in the lane. then max pulse and sadist. a kill plus level 3 or 4 sadist is effectively a won fight.

          Rocket

            ps if you max pulse without sadist you'll need to buy a soul ring or mana boots most likely.

            Luxon

              The less regen they have the more you want heartstopper.

              jo~

                Offlane 230 if getting zoned, 131 if doing fine, into 431 or 332 I think. Can hit creeps more = more sadist, don't over commit on aura since u will become farmed core eventually

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                  Androgynous

                    u lved it at 2 in ur most recent game

                    pretty sure 99% of people get at least 1 value point into aura for lane harass although im bad at necro and rarely play him so what do i know
                    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                    jo~

                      Aura is ass with new sadist but op says he's offlane I'm sure u don't want to waste two points in sadist when u are getting barely any last hits or rely on taking the stacks for mid lane to come.back

                      plz do

                        skill sadist if u last hit in lane.

                        Redspada

                          The "new" sadist effect is only different at level 4 right? So If I dont LH (Lets say there is a better core on my duallane) I max aura?

                          plz do

                            i'd always have at least 1 point in sadist though, because the hero kill regen is just too good. aura is for sitting in lane and "harrassing" without moving a finger..

                            Androgynous

                              yes the only difference is lv 4

                              Soultrap

                                Sadist procs from your last hits and denies as well, so you always want to put 1 point in aura, then max pulse, then max sadist no matter what role you are.

                                Reese

                                  2-1-2 at lvl 5 is the build imo
                                  you get double bonus for the second point of sadist
                                  maxing aura is retarded

                                  TripleSteal-

                                    you can go for literally any skillbuild on necro depending on your role and picks, except maxing stats which is suboptimal in any case.

                                    TheMaverick427

                                      For offlane, generally you get one point on heartstopper at level 1 or 2. Max Death pulse first and get a casual point in sadist. Once Death pulse is maxed, max out sadist by level 10. Level 4 sadist is a massive jump up from level 3 sadist, and if you manage to get a kill in a fight, lvl 4 sadist makes you almost impossible to kill. Heartstopper is maxed last since it is more effective later on in the game when enemies have large HP Pools.
                                      If you're mid or you happen to be getting plenty of last hits in lane, you can get a second point of sadist at level 5, but still max Pulse first.
                                      Too many points in Heartstopper in lane will push the lane and put you in danger.

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                                        SOSLICK

                                          You can spam your Q so much more with a maxed sadist rather than heartstopper. IDK, its hard to see the effects of heartstopper but I would never max it over sadist.

                                          Stinkoman

                                            Best skill build is as follows: Aura → Death Pulse → Sadist by level 3. Take Scythe at 6 and max Death Pulse first. Max Sadist second. Finish Aura last. Aura scales with health/strength items so in DPS terms, it does very little in fights before the late game. One point in lane helps you burn through enemy regen.

                                            Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                              3-0-2 is actually the best tbh.

                                              lm ao

                                                necrophos is so shieet if not only for scythe honestly

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                                                  Soultrap

                                                    ^This is true actually. Playing with bots may teach you how to win 1v9.

                                                    ¤ ϟ Musashi ϟ ¤

                                                      i love necro. Your skill build question near..

                                                      do they have Strength hero. Yes 3 1 1

                                                      do they have lane presure. yes 3 1 1

                                                      Are they REAALLY GREEDY and are 4 maning you 3-Stat-1

                                                      are you riping your lane apart 4-1-3-1

                                                      Dire Wolf

                                                        I played 6 necro games in a row, went 5-1. Played everything position except mid and 5 (offlane, offlane support in a dual lane, safe lane carry, safe lane support). Here's my thoughts on talents and items.

                                                        Heartstopper offlane early sucks. Unless you are offlane vs an extremely passive and non regen lane like idk spectre and a non healing support, do not put points in it. Cus if they have anyone who can heal like dazzle, or a high regen support like ogre, they won't give a fuck. And if they have a lane that can kill you they won't give a fuck either and zone you out to boot. Necro can be killed easily early.

                                                        Now if safe lane and you have free farm that's a different story. If you have ez denies and cs to proc sadist then by all means put a point in heartstopper and force offlaners back. But same as being offlane, if you are pressured then dont do it. What heartstopper does early is provide passive pressure on their lane so it has to be a pretty passive lane and it lets you focus on farming instead of harass. But in an active lane this doesn't work and since you get a lot less sadist procs you need more levels in it.

                                                        To be safe just skip it, go 2/0/4/1 at 7. Lvl 4 sadist you only need two creep kills for enough mana to use death pulse lvl 2. Having infinite mana and spamming a 175 nuke is a lot better than a 275 nuke where I run out after a couple. Once you hit 7 you can clear out jungle so fast and easy. go farm wherever your carries aren't. Most carries in my bracket are piss poor farmers so jungle will be available or a lane will.

                                                        Starting items I do ring of prot, 1 set of tangos, 2 branches. Build a bassy (if no one in your lane has) and get brown boots next.

                                                        For items, this is where it gets trickey. Boots is one of the hardest decisions. All you need is brown boots, but travels, arcanes, treads and phase all offer nice benefits. I guess it's up to you but I loved having phase my last game and think I'll do that from now on. Arcanes if you are support into greaves though can be amazing. Treads really helps your jungle but if you are maxing sadist at 7,8,9 or so then it's not necessary as you'll spam pulse anyway over right clicks. So just for the str attribute for hp, it's ok I guess. Tread switching works very well with them though if you can manage that. Even tranquils can be good cus even broken they are the fastest outside travels and 4 armor is awesome and super cheap. So idk, I guess it's preference. If you stick with brown boots you can easily up to travels later.

                                                        Then I find mek core even if a carry. The extra armor and stats is just so necessary.

                                                        After that point booster or plate mail. Necro needs to get beefy. Even if you are not going to build a complete item with it next you will eventually, I can't think of any situation where you wouldn't build one of shiva's, octarine, aghs or bloodstone. So if vs a bunch of physical dps a casual plate mail. If vs a bunch of magic point booster.

                                                        Next item is choosing whether it's a blade mail game or not. If they have a bunch of retarded nukers who never build bkb like invoker, qop (pub qops don't bkb, pros do), zeus then build a blade mail and wreck them. If they have like PA and troll then don't cus those guys always build bkb and won't care.

                                                        Then you can situationally get a pipe if team needs and you're not a carry and huge opposing magic dmg, otherwise get your next big item from aghs, shivas, octarine or bloodstone. All have their merits. Scythe is also very good but the buildup won't give you as much tankiness, if needed I would do it second big item.

                                                        Radiance is probably part of an ideal 6 slot necro build, but I hate the build up, just don't do it unless massively ahead. Midas sounds like an amazing item on a hero so dependent on levels but again leaves you so lacking early when necro needs hp and armor.

                                                        so my ideal 6 slot build based on a good progression is probably, boots of travels, mek, shivas, aghs, octarine, scythe. though I've never gotten enough gold for that, games always end by the time I get mek, shivas and aghs lol. Ususally finish an octarine right as ancient dies.

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                                                        TripleSteal-

                                                          ^mek -> refreher
                                                          shivas -> blink (or sb)

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                                                          TripleSteal-

                                                            dont skip initiation items if you are a core

                                                            plz do

                                                              dagon 5 eblade best item build watch pros never do it before soon will though ok do it

                                                              Dire Wolf

                                                                Blinks fine on any hero, force staff is ok too, you can sacrifice some tankiness for mobility instead, but I don't like it.

                                                                Why would you init with a hero that has zero stuns or anything? Maybe if you go a dagon build you can blink, shivas, dagon, dealthpulse ult, but I don't think shivas and death pulse is enough dmg to get them to ult range, they'll just run away.

                                                                TripleSteal-

                                                                  you need blink to use reaper poperly, cz otherwise its too predictable, and everyone gets these glimmers/lotus/linkens these days

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                                                                  TripleSteal-

                                                                    it actually serves other purposes, too, given that necro is one of the heroes with lowest mobility in the whole game

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                                                                    Dire Wolf

                                                                      They don't in 3k lol. I've seen a lotus like maybe once and linken bearers only pop it on themselves. People don't really counter necro in 3k which is why he's probably so good.

                                                                      Mobility is very good on necro though, I agree there.