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星野 アイ

    Hey guys I need your help , How to make bf in 14-15 minutes ?
    I first buy PMS and 1 tango
    After then BoS after then Phase then Helm Then BF , but it takes me 25-30 minutes to make BF then.
    If I will rush bf in start I will be left vulnerable in lanes . So I am confused where as people make BF and others things in 20 minutes ,I wonder how.

    Greatlubu

      Hit more creeps and die less

      Reese

        easy way to win: don't buy BF

        reaL stöge :D

          BF is shit on PA, don't buy it.

          Greatlubu

            Reese, battle fury is honestly fine. And your most bought item on pa is bfury :000

            Also don't give advice random normal skill dumpster thanks

            If your having a hard game what's gonna help you get back into the game

            Going helm of Dom bkb and fighting

            Or getting a bfury adding a ton of damage and securing your late game

            Granted pa has a lot of solid builds bfury is very viable

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            Dunning-Kruger-Doto

              You make the battlefury first. How are you vulnerable in lane? I also like treads more than phase, esp. if you go battlefury. With battlefury you go for more lategame oriented built. Lategame treads deliver more damage and the 9 strength help alot in surviving lane. PA can handle many common offlaners on her own.

              I like to built:

              1. Stoutshiled+2 Tango+1 Slipper

              You can sell the unneeded tangos and 8 tangos help alot. The missing slipper can be bought at the sideshop; tangos not.

              2. You go brown boots into Roh, for the regen.

              3. You may built a basi for mana.

              4. You finish your boots; treads prefered.

              5. You farm on lane. If harrassment is heavy: Farm with dagger.

              6. Once you hit 6 and have manaregen running (Basi or perserverance) you start spamming dagger on the offlaner. Occasionally you can jump him and hope for crits (if he can't nuke you down). Many offlaners will have problems against this (Wr or Earthspirit). Many offlaners will die in a stuipid manner.

              7. Farm battlefury.

              8. Farm HoD or BKB.

              9. Get BKB or HoD. Hod/Battlefury/Full Boots and a BKB should be online min 20-25. By this time you are the strongest hero on the map (you should be). Finish game. Min 30+X other carries start to outshine you.

              10. Basher (rosh now)

              11. End game. Many carries are scarier than you lategame.

              TripleSteal-

                boots, mb pms if u need it, and then just go straight for bf? RoH and void stone give u enough regen so udont even need RoA and tangoz

                Dunning-Kruger-Doto

                  Battlefury ist legit on pa. If you opt for a little more farm. The cleave is also nice in teamfights paired with the big red numbers. If you do not run battlefury and enemy team has a lead AND a scary lategamehero, you might find yourself in a struggle to keep up with the farm.

                  Pt/Drums/Hod/BKB/Bash- aka fighting built is useless,when your team is in no shape to fight at all. Its all situational. But I like having a flashfarm item on any hero with lategame. It ensures you to unleash this potential.

                  Boundless Strike in Gaben...

                    last hit...dont die...stacks...kill supports when level 6 with dagger blink initiation

                    encourage a team mate to take a support with damage and stun...lion or es....make sure your dagger blink combo is done quickly or you can get juked...

                    recommend an early morbid mask to jungle freely really without losing too much hp....upgrade to helm later

                    try not to pick pa in games where the enemy has a natural shadow blade carrier like slark or tusk..if they make a silver edge youre done

                    also go treads because of the attack speed that it gives you...

                    and get an early quelling blade too...makes last hitting easier

                    MARLAN

                      tango stout branch branch circlet

                      buy magic wand
                      buy pms
                      buy quelling blade
                      buy boots
                      buy ring of health
                      buy void stone
                      buy 1400 sword
                      send courier
                      buy 1200 sword

                      advance RoH earlier depending on tango supply.

                      ez battlefury?

                      idk why u would wanna buy it though, just force teamfights and crit people to death and abuse your 50% evasion while you still have it.

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                      Reese

                        @Greatlubu Battlefury is situational and it's a farming item. I didn't say it's bad. But OP is a beginner and he won't benefit from a BF anyway
                        it's useless to buy BF and finish game with 5 cs/min
                        and when I started playing I spammed PA so my games are very old and I just used to buy BF every game
                        now I buy BF only if I have lane freefarm and I know that the game is going to be long

                        Mandalorian

                          Phase boots on PA, are you serious? :D also skip hotd, maybe even power treads if the lane is easy enough. You should have 50+ last hits at min 10, if you cant manage that then 14 min BF is just a dream for you.

                          Dance of the NeoVim

                            Haven't played PA in quite some time but I believe if you wanna go BF on her you should pretty much do it the AM way.
                            Start with a combination of Stout + 2 tangos/1 tango + 1 salve (maybe a branch or two).
                            Finish the PMS is you are against ranged hero in lane, get stick/wand if they have spammable spells.
                            Get quelling blade for easy last hits and chopping off some trees for more space, pulling creeps, jukes, etc.
                            Get a basilius if you need to spam dagger a lot.
                            Get brown boots and ring of health.
                            Finish your treads (not phase, you need AS to make use of that damage + crit).
                            Finish perseverance then get claymore and broadsword.

                            If you don't die at all, around 15 minutes you will have 1500 gold just for being alive which will be your treads.
                            By 10 minutes you should have 50+ CS in lane which roughly translates into perseverance (optional PMS/stick/basi) and most of your claymore.
                            By 15 minutes you should be close to 100 CS which is a completed battlefury.
                            This is when you have a pretty ok lane and you don't get kills/towers. If you're smart, you can make some extra gold with a kill or two.

                            TheTRactoR

                              buy qb stout shield and tango at start
                              finish pms from side shop, buy brown boots again side shop
                              farm for ring, get ring sideshop
                              farm for claymore, bring claymore with courier,
                              farm more and buy remaining items from side shop.
                              rest depends on your last hitting skills and how you stay in the lane. you probably should have it before min15

                              also, ignore rookies who say bf is shit on pa. bf accelerates your farming quite well

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                                get mom, rape kids

                                星野 アイ

                                  Thank you verry verry much friends I am lucky that i got lot of replies thanks friends .
                                  I will try to make my last hit skills more better

                                  星野 アイ

                                    and I am still confused some say bf is shit and some say bf is not req it is farming tool .
                                    Please help me in this .

                                    FlipFlop

                                      ^every game you must have your own understanding to itemization your own build.

                                      the thing is, if your team draft a line up around you ( which mean 1 core that scale into late game) you either have to build item that can end the game really fast, or you build item that can scale you into late game.

                                      But really pa is really bad at late game, after the enemy team get their own mkb in their core pa is basically a puncing bag.

                                      All in all you have to understanding what you should do and what you should not do, because in every each game of dota you gonna have different way to approach the game.

                                      Pale Mannie

                                        How to PA in 1k:

                                        Have a russian schoolkids nickname ("АтомиК" for example)
                                        Go offlane
                                        Autoattack some creeps
                                        Spam dagger all the time
                                        Be greedy for kills
                                        Feed
                                        Buy BFury at 35 mins. and 2-9-3 after phase and dominator
                                        Try to comeback
                                        Lose

                                        Kappa

                                        Reese

                                          ^
                                          the offlane PA build is rush headdress and no dagger build, you're doing it wrong

                                          BenaoLifedancer

                                            and you're probably proud of 14 min bf xD!
                                            if you're free farm it takes 9 min. Get good

                                            Pale Mannie

                                              ^^this is always in my games to see that enemy russian schoolfags instalocking PA and going as Hard Carry in offlane doing the things i wrote above

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                                              星野 アイ

                                                Ok thanks . I have to see according to my team and opponent team

                                                Mekarazium
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                                                  Dunning-Kruger-Doto

                                                    60 cs @ 10 min= Full Boots, PMS and some parts of battlefury. I would never recommend to go straight bf, without even brown boots. Thats how you beg for beeing ganked.

                                                    nekocan

                                                      Get kill m8
                                                      I usually got it ~25:00 after i got pt and dominator

                                                      Zavenoxuce

                                                        Tango and PMS

                                                        take cs and buy RoH is youre being harassed alot or void stone to snipe those creeps.

                                                        Boots and wand is optional.

                                                        Use ur blink for escape's only or a sure kill.

                                                        Guaranteed battle fury in 10 - 12 mins VHS Bracket.

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