1. Early: Max q, try to get kills with support, farm. Midgame, everytime ult is off CD, push towers and roam around, take rosh, win gaem.
2. Depends on situation, but usually i'd say pt, s&y, HoTd, maelstorm, bfly, finish mjoillnir, moon shard, moonshard, finish satanic.
3. Splitpush is better on jugg, he rly isn't the hero that likes to teamfight that much.
4. It is viable. but i personally don't like it that much either.
5. U don't play him anything else than pos 1 unless enemy has insanely shit mid, then u can try and go mid with jugg .
6. It's rly meh, only good if enemy has no hardcarry whatsoever and you have freefarm.
7. Usually max q, 1 point in healing ward and max crit + ult.
8. Use it, place it behind you so enemy have to run into your whole team to get rid of it.
9. He can be pretty broken if played correcly, especially in your bracket.
10. congraz.
just explaining the mom thing: mom was a broken item in 6.83 esp. for the big three. good times. anyways, it is/was used as a farming and positioning item. nowadays u just get nuked into the ground when u turn it on in teamfights. it is still a good item if u can kill someone fast with low risks. and vs rosh its okish, too.
jugger is very versatile imo right now. u can build him just the way u need him vs the opponent team and opponent carry. (also in 6.83 skadi was big, which is still good imo)
After jug agility nerf & mana skill nerf. And pro start using 4 1 1 1 lv7
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So if I don't get stats before level 6 then I'll need some int items before level 6 for a q plus ult combo I think u need 5 int so I am think an Aquila plus magic wand for plus 7 int? Most pro games I looked at shows them building jug with phase , however u think it would be better to build power treads? I guess if I build power treads I can use the robe of magi for enough mana for combo .
Jugg is actually very versatile when it comes to builds. You can go for stat heavy build or glass cannonish ult based build. Either works depending on the situation. Battlefury's pretty good on him, though it might be frowned upon sometimes, but the reality is, it makes him farm really fast and synergyzes with his ult so it's good.
You can play it sort of like antimage with the battlefury rush if you REALLY need to outfarm the opponents. If you're finding a ton of kills and downing towers like crazy, you might consider getting SnY asap, then get what you need, be it a basher or finishing Manta, getting a shadowblade for silver edge if you need it, skadi if you need to tank up, etc. A lot of options, really. It's not like Sven or Am who really have one or two be-all-end-all builds, jugg is a pretty versatile melee carry. MoM is good if you can #YOLO with it without consequences, but sometimes it's bad, namely if you don't intend to use it only during your ult and/or they have tons of lockdown. Jugg's actually prety squishy with just Phase+MoM, though MoM is a good farming item and can get you to a SnY fairly quickly.
sven has one or two builds? you can build almost anything on sven.
Same with jug, everything's good, stats are good, dmg is good. I've seen jugs go deso and have it work out. I would probably make s&y core and be flexible with the rest. Basher is good. Dont forget you sometimes need bkb on jug.
max q first only if youre planning to early push or clear stacks....else favour the crit always....one point in q is also enough to kill off a fleeing enemy
a couple of crit hits and your lane enemy will be running....i would suggest sny as definite core...everything else is pretty situational...phase also kinda core
also be very careful when jumping in for your ult....you want to be as far away from creeps as you possibly can....its not the greatest initiator but you can use it to easily kill of a couple of enemies trying to escape
since i joined this game only in 6.84 i honestly have no problem making bf on jug but ive seen so many people say that's 'old meta' whatever that means
without bf jug cant wave clear at all....more items that i would get as jug would be basher, bkb situational, skadi situational or butterfly
ive also not seen much lifesteal on jug...might be because of his w but honestly its' a pretty unreliable heal and cant really keep up with jugs movement...i would make vlads on him if i could
So I guess right now I've heard I should go phase and I've heard pt , so which one should I build?
I kinda like going 1-1-4-1 as the skillbuild, then max stats and take maybe take another point in ward.
As for items, I like: QB + regen -> phase boots -> aquilla -> MoM -> SnY -> Bfury(sometimes if I want to farm more) -> Skadi -> Abyssal/whatever else
I try to farm/splitpush and find fights when the ulti is up.
Is my idea about the hero wrong/outdated? Or is it viable?
TIP: starting core items for me is always aquila + wand. that extra stats points is huge especially jug has low HP & MP. i add poor man shield if i lane with hard hitters especially range ones like WR. facing squishy heroes like AM or QOP, i go threads boots. facing not so squishy heroes and has lockdowns, i go phase boots to burst & escape
To Missionary, it looks mostly like you don't take enemies into account when deciding on your items. For the most recent game it mainly looks like you let it go on too long when they had better late game, although getting a bkb would have helped you in Riki's smoke cloud (allowing you to spin or Omnislash). MKB would also have been a good next item to fight Riki in the smoke. Apart from ending early theres nothing you could really do against that lineup though.
For the second most recent game, MOM isnt the best item against a team with 4 heros that have large nukes. Also battlefury is a must vs Meepo and AM. Hope this helps
Wasnt expecting this thread to rise again , i quit on jugg btw absolutelycannot win with that hero . Maybe ill try him again in 6 months.
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Ok so juggernaut is one of my worst Heros however he is a cool hero that I think would be cool to add to my ranked repitore. These are my questions .
1. What is juggernauts mission at different stages of the game , would like specific times.
2. Item options
3. Technique in approaching team fights / tips.
4. I see most people build mom however I don't like mom on most Heros that are melee , how viable is it to not build it.
5. If I am not main carry such as going dual offlane is ages viable / how to you approach playing him in this role .
6. How viable is building bfury.
7. Ability selection progression
8. Tips on using healing ward in battle .
9. Should I even bother getting good at this hero since I naturally suck at him and it's not like he's op .
10. My mmr ranges from 3150 to 3500 btw .