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efeburc

    I am usually going treads>meka>bkb first. What should i get later? I tried going sange and yasha or skadi but somehow i feel something is empty.

    Seoulmate

      maybe a helm?

      the realm's delight

        pretty sure mek is the worst item on that hero

        TripleSteal-

          either butterfly, or skadi followed by daedalus (or butter again)
          however meka is rarely optimal nowadays for SFs

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            Riguma Borusu

              because obviously you need to rush daedalus

              twitch.tv/afeect

                I'm sure mek every game is not the build.

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                  mek is horrible for pubs pls dont do it, go blink/sb if u wanna carry solo

                  TheTRactoR

                    for starters, sf is not an int hero. so if you buy meka or eul to sf, just quietly throw yourself from a bridge.

                    sf is an agile carry. get either pt or phase first, then go for dagger or shadow blade, depends on how the game goes. if you are getting many kills, go for more aggressive and buy crystals to turn into daedalus soon. but most likely game wont go like that, so you will need a bkb first. then get a yasha, you dont have to turn into anything immedietly. then win the game if you are not a trash player.

                    but before all that, you must win mid. control runes with bottle (if you are a bottle crower just uninstall the game)

                    faw

                      brown boots aquila -> sb treads -> sny -> silvers edge / helm / bkb / skadi / daedalus / mkb / moonshard - for "active" sf

                      brown boots aquila -> sb bot -> sny -> helm + bkb -> daedalus/mkb -> moonshard - for farm

                      ftw

                      faw

                        lmao tractor nice bullshit ure talkign there

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                          TheTRactoR

                            lmao meka/eul makers are mad

                            just played a sf mid for you rookies http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1857651652
                            it was 4v5 from the start, our rubick disconnected but still mmr counted. it was a game where enemy safe laner am bought pt pms bf on min 13:30

                            but is that a problem? nope. why? cause midder sf didnt go for shitty build

                            efeburc

                              I think meka is more of a tanky build. Like nobody can actually kill you if you get meka at the right time. Its not that necessary to go meka. Sometimes i dont get it because we have a sup that buys meka and things like that. But i like building meka on sf i think it helps sf and his team.

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                                the realm's delight

                                  eul doesnt make much sense anymore on sf because of range nerf.
                                  mek is good if u have a team. consider u are playing pubs thats not really happening. id much rather get lothars. sf is horrible in pubs to begin with

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                                  PTSD

                                    How the hell is mek bad on sf??

                                    DC.MASON

                                      is rushing silver edge worth against something like PA?

                                      Light.k

                                        mek is only good when your team are not full of solo master

                                        A waifu a day keeps socie...

                                          Go euls/blink -> bkb -> shivas -> refresher.

                                          I Hanter I

                                            Euls > Blink is the best feeling ever when you blow someone up that has 2k HP that was unkillable for your team mates.

                                            faw

                                              yes rushing silvers is worth it IMO, sometimes i even like to build silvers edge even though there are no passives to break - gives lots of hp, dmg etc

                                              Welt aus Eis

                                                can we have a feature thart allows the OP to block sub5k people from posting in his thread

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                                                ImperialHal's Stool Inspe...

                                                  JUST EULS-BLINK RAWR

                                                  coolkobol

                                                    pt-aqulia-s&y > bkb > skadi > butterfly

                                                    TheTRactoR

                                                      lmao 2k rookies still insist on getting euls kek

                                                      TripleSteal-

                                                        4ks calling euls build 2k

                                                        gg im out

                                                        but srsly, without any sarcasm since now, why would you be so self-confident given that u r pretty low in mmr and dont have that much experience with the hero in games with aftually decent people?

                                                        charlie

                                                          I am the world's worst SF player... i can't play that hero if my life depended on it.. same as tinker :'(
                                                          i can farm with it but i cant win.. lord help me haha

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                                                            TheTRactoR

                                                              can we just prevent people have less than 1k wins from using the forum as well?

                                                              TheTRactoR

                                                                but srsly if anyone here claims he is better than me come 1v1 you pick the hero kappa

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                                                                  ywn

                                                                    1v1 me your ego is out of control

                                                                    TheTRactoR

                                                                      oh well at least im not going for mass school shootings, wait what

                                                                      also u know why 'muricans are bad at dota? cuz they cant defend their towerZZ roflmao

                                                                      Ariaflutter.Ataraxia

                                                                        pub? go for early BOT and farm till your heart out.
                                                                        5 man stacks? go for fast meka end game at 10-15min ggwp ez game.

                                                                        eul? kill ur self. range nerf, and fucking not useful for 2.6k gold, you can get something like yasha or sange with that gold or dag or mek

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                                                                          TheTRactoR

                                                                            jet fuel cant melt steel beams

                                                                            ywn

                                                                              Protect us from what exactly?

                                                                              TheTRactoR

                                                                                from terrorist groups they created obviously. duh...

                                                                                efextoide

                                                                                  of course mek is the best item to keep playing alone

                                                                                  Stinkoman

                                                                                    If going mid, here is my build:

                                                                                    Two branches + two shared tangos

                                                                                    Bottle > Boots > Wand

                                                                                    Treads > S&Y > BKB

                                                                                    Desolator > Daedalus > [MKB/Butterfly]

                                                                                    Grab BoT and Moon Shard whenever.

                                                                                    Welt aus Eis

                                                                                      how the fuck do you have 2k bot games

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                                                                                        heres my build for sf that seems to work pretty fuckin well (check my winrate)

                                                                                        starting: wraith band and tangos
                                                                                        early: bottle, aquila, treads
                                                                                        after that I go blink > bkb > hotd > skadi
                                                                                        sometimes I'll skip the hotd for a skadi if i need to tank up and get hp fast.

                                                                                        tbh blink and bkb are the only core items that I get pretty much everytime, sometimes i'll skip going hotd skadi and go for an mkb if i need it or even a butterfly very rarely.

                                                                                        if i'm stomping and want to end the game quickly i'll go ac deso daed to like 3 shot the enemy team

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                                                                                        ILLUMINATION

                                                                                          SO what is the more proper build when u know your team is full of russians/peruvians

                                                                                          I know it all depends on the draft/counter draft but in general if you aim for solo que wins?

                                                                                          A: 2shared tangos, 2branches > Bot > aquila > Brown boots > Mek > Sny > S Blade etc.
                                                                                          B: 2shared tangos, 2branches > Bot > aquila > Brown boots > Sny > HoD > Skadi> Manta/Blink
                                                                                          C: Crits instead of skadi

                                                                                          Does SF needs Blink/SBlade?

                                                                                          Thx

                                                                                          Split

                                                                                            A or B most of the time, the difference being if your team is able to play as 5 or not.
                                                                                            If you have to do all the heavy work, go SnY instead of mek, push every single lane, farm, get HotD and Skadi, tank everything, use BKB, ult rrampage GG

                                                                                            Vertoxity

                                                                                              dagon dagon and more dagon.. eblade is good also

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                                                                                                DC.MASON

                                                                                                  idk, i still don't understand how would i be able to snowball even more when i'd get sny first instead of shadow blade or something
                                                                                                  like you walk up to enemy and expect them to let you hit them or what?

                                                                                                  Vertoxity

                                                                                                    You need either a sb or blink if you want to snowball. Sy can work, but it also depends on their pick

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