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General DiscussionMy Alch is still flawless with this build

My Alch is still flawless with this build in General Discussion
toffee

    Hey guys, first thread right here so go easy on me lmao. Im at 3860 mmr, but you'll see most of my matches are pubs and at normal skill bracket because I stack a lot with my friends, so I get moved into a lower bracket.

    So yeah, I just realized that my alch has been on a 13-0 winstreak by following a build that I saw arteezy do.
    ( here's my alch matches history: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/211068665/matches?date=&hero=alchemist&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&faction=&duration=&enjoyment=any&timezone=Pacific%2FPago_Pago)

    The 13 most recent games are the arteezy builds.

    Now to get down to business. I've seen alch players going the good old midas alch, which is not that bad but it's not that helpful.
    The build that I saw arteezy do was to rush a radiance. Typically, you go mid, but safelane works as well. Getting the 0:00 rune is extremely helpful, since the bonus 400 gold will get you a bottle almost instantly. Bottle is optional, but I prefer getting bottle since I crow a lot.
    Anyways, the skill build is max acid and greevils first. Yes, this is extremely greedy, but i suggest holding on to one point for a level to stun just in case, but usually you wont need the stun. I start with stout, quelling blade, but if you want it to be a little more defensive, then replace the quelling blade with a salve and a few branches.
    Get phaseboots then a relic. Arteezy's timing on his radiance with phase boots, quelling blade, and bottle was 10:00 mins. My personal best was at around 11 mins but thats because my 5 man party was just giving so much space to farm. But the usual timing on the radiance is 15 mins provided that you farmed efficiently.

    Use your acid spray to passively harass your opponent, and make sure you put it in a strategic place. Like pulling the creep aggro to uphill so that he wont be able to deny his creeps without damaging himself. And if youre up against a melee mid lane, everytime he tries for a last hit, just wack him in the face, the minus armor will scare him away.
    Make sure you push the lane with acid spray and auto attack the creeps at around the :40 second mark that way you can get the rune then push the lane once more then move to the small camp or medium camp and farm. Even the smallest creep will give you tons of gold because of your greevils. And if you can, stack the hard camp, by level 6 you can farm it with acid spray and chemical rage.

    This style of play is greedy, I know, but in almost all of my games with this build, we were losing the early game, but once I got my radiance, shit turned around.
    After getting your radiance, just build whatever you need. You need to tank? Get a heart. With the radiance, you can literally just clear the jungle and lane 2 times and you'll have a reaver. If you dont get bothered at all, you can get it in around 8 mins.

    I guess thats it, I didnt say anything that this build is broken or will help you raise mmr, but I went 13-0 with this so I guess you might give it a try. Credits to arteezy for doing this build. (not saying he made this build, but I saw him using this build so yeah you get my point haha)

    If you want to party with me, just add me :D

    the realm's delight

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      sobek

        >normal

        Metallicize

          i had a feeling that it would be normal skill, but i still hoped, and hopes got crushed

          Vaikiss`742.

            i personaly prefer jungle shadowfiend with dagon 5 first item

            toffee

              Meh, never tried it in my 3.8k bracket before. I dont know about you guys, just try it. I havent been able to solo ranked queue at all since my friends always want me in their 5 stack

              faw

                normal skill never forget

                Mokujin

                  Those elitistist circle jerkers spamming normal skill are just jealous of your achievement; dont give up

                  appaK

                  No giggities?

                    I am 3,8k mmr and even when i stack with low mmr friends (below 3k), i end up playing in the high skill bracket. Not sure how you manage to get in the normal skill bracket..

                    Reese

                      why radiance? battlefury sounds much better

                      toffee

                        my friends are all 2k below T_T
                        why radiance? Radiance has more impact than bf IMO
                        evasion plus burn and right click damage? It's like a battlefury thats always on

                        matrice

                          alche is one of the very rare heroes that farm faster with radiance than bf (not to mention the sweet 20% miss that increase greatly your ehp)

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                          Androgynous

                            radiance aoe burn damage does not scale unlike cleave damage, so for pure farming speed imo it's not quicker than battle fury. build up is much worse too. 3800g in one go, although if alch is probably the easiest hero to get that.

                            imo its only really good on naga and spec. other heroes are much more situationa, but i could be wrong

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                            toffee

                              Like I said in my post, battlefury doesnt contribute anything at 15 min mark but farm. Radiance on the other hand, has burn and can contribute to fights, and since you can get it super early, it burns heroes really easily in the early game.

                              BenaoLifedancer

                                why did i get my hopes up

                                typical normal skill thread

                                best build bro, thx appaK x2

                                Last picking is 4 pussies

                                  No matter your build or win streak your teammates most likely will still cringe when you pick alch.

                                  Dire Wolf

                                    1. Stacks
                                    2. Stacks with players ~2k lower
                                    3. Normal skill
                                    4. Normal matches (not ranked)

                                    Pretty sure you could play anything mid and go undefeated.

                                    LeFlash

                                      Nice one man, I only play alche when my friends or myself random it and they swap or whatever and we always lose because we lose the early too hard, next time i get it random I will try the radiance build even if its just for fun.

                                      And fuck all of those who wont even read your comment because of that normal skill, stupid elitist dota players.
                                      I have 3,9k solo ranked but I always party with my friends aswell and thats why most of my games are on normal skill and I can assure you its much easier to win ranked solos at very high skill than those normal skill party where people are pure tryhards.

                                      Pablo

                                        pls stop

                                        Flyingpigs

                                          I have 3,9k solo ranked but I always party with my friends aswell and thats why most of my games are on normal skill and I can assure you its much easier to win ranked solos at very high skill than those normal skill party where people are PURE TRYHARDS.

                                          gg I didnt know if normal ppl tryhards it actualy makes an impact/difference. lol.

                                          LeFlash

                                            Damn yea man, if you are playing party all pick nobody ever picks untill they see what you pick in order to counter, I dont give a *** about counters, i will still pick before the timer gets to 0.. But then the game starts and you have 3 counters and they try as hard as posible, while we are testing shits or whatever we see an undying + counters five manning 10 minutes into the game. Then there are also rapes when they are not that tryhard.
                                            In the other hand, I reached VHS in solo mmr 1 week ago and I have played 15 games (mostly as suport or mid) and I won 11 of them.

                                            Gotvet

                                              Terrible shit alchy build

                                              Metallicize

                                                my alchemist build is more flawless, it provides armor, damage, move speed, attack speed, intelligence, agility, strength, mana+heal.
                                                http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1660595793

                                                Gotvet

                                                  That si actually a good build dud wauw

                                                  TripleSteal-

                                                    ^^that was a Normal Skill game as well btw

                                                    Metallicize

                                                      i am a normal skill player :/

                                                      MILNOR

                                                        Maybe this site need 3 thread groups. One for normal one for high + one for v high. The 'normal skill' responders might not like that due to the joy of smugness that comes with posting it but hey

                                                        Dire Wolf

                                                          The point isn't to disparage normal skill players, he is literally smurfing by grouping down into normal bracket. Thus results are not typical.

                                                          turbo player

                                                            this looks gud :P i will watch your games and give it a try

                                                            Hopeless

                                                              @ andro Radiance is faster, and you scale it by getting manta style and farming with the illusions

                                                              nami

                                                                Radiance farming is not faster than bfury farming ._.

                                                                anyway bfury also allows alch to take ancient stacks using acid