Archon & MVP are actually really bad compared to other teams. Can't actually believe how bad they're. They make tons of individual mistakes. I seriously can't believe how Storm with such huge farm advantage could not win a game vs just Lion. Any top tier player would win it solo vs such a draft with so much early lead. His jumps were like random 4k MMR player, he either tilted really hard or he can't play the hero.
CDEC seems like a very good team, but tbh only Vega here is decent besides them.
@Benao You have like no foundation of how you feel S4 is a weak link of Secret. S4 is the captain and playing mid at the same time. It's impressive how great S4 is at dota, and you ditching him sounds extremely weird.
I don't even feel Secret has an extraordinary weak link, but if anything it for sure would be Zai. Zai was an impressive support player, but he's not a stable and consistent offlaner from what I've experienced. Also he doesn't communicate a lot, doesn't talk a lot at least from previous information which also is another weak point of a player when you don't make up for bad communication in your play.
I don't wanna ditch him though, as I'm often impressed of him, it's just not consistent.
aactually s4 and fear are my 2 favorite players and i know them very well skillwise and shit. Im not ditching or anything but f you wanna beat secret you go the rape s4 route! he's good, a prodigy and all you want but he was the reason they lost so much. i already gave an in depth analysis of them a while back, including where the weaknesses of EG, VICI and SECRET, and people read that 100% sure as a bit after that, vici started getting raped and so did EG while SECRET changed their strategy and started winning titles!!!!!
anyways
TLDR:
EG weakness sumail
vici weakness aggro and tempo control (aggro/faster)
secret, relying on s4 too much (with vulnerable lineup where he was the weakest pick) and sending him mid too much, role at which he's not doing enough (meta,etc) -->reason why he gets qop so much now.
Benao "ive been cheering for secret long enough. I hope S4 doesnt fuck up though. He's the weakest link. And i hope jerax and fly do good in their respective teams"
Even your own words don't paint him as the weakest link in fact your own words in that post re-iterate "I agree completely with everything you said about secret! I was surprised when i saw them having zai offlane! He's not exceptional, he's good, ok but definitely not TI winner worthy and can't pull up the team on his own."
Blowing up anyone's mid lane is the way to win though which is why in the last 2 out of 3 losses Secret had it involved a few things:
1. EG
2. Lesherac
3. Good roaming ganks
Your spot on a lot of things I probably would have just edited your first post in here to say something like you said in your 3 month ago post "Focusing S4 in any game secures you the win, that simple! he's the backbone of the team because zai doesn't work as a tank but as an initiator and disctractor and a distractor is useless if they really don't need to put attention on him (because he can't pull the team to the win). And kuro+puppey sacrifice so much as support they can't either while rtz gets the worst lane always!"
prettysure if u gank the shit out of mid player in any kind of game for any kind of team chances that u will win will increase greatly cuz mid players usualy does stuff all around the map
You have this team of 5. You still want to win!. You have to beat s4, once you do you win game :D. He's the weak link of the "team", i like him a lot but that's just the way it is! He's super good but does that matter? Which is why etcc etc qop etc etc xD.
well thats why i meant im not saying s4 is noob :D!, its just that with that team he has to play a certain core role he "was" (and may not; lets hope he does) not filling properly, playing as he did before. He is now though. Just check the statistics from the TI 5 that was shared to teams/casters. They moved him to fill the tank role i talked about (bb/razor) and qop can just escape, super mobile and nuke terribly fast.
[Size=20]tldr: i should've worded it differently![/size]
btw -> s4 is not the mid for secret, he's the a carry/offlaner which is occasionally mid depending on what is drafted for rtz. Where focusing s4 "wherever" he is secures you the advantage.
^
seriously though... there is no reward for predicting the wildcard outcome listed in the compendium... unless you are talking about the play-in series... in which case you get a amazing 25 compendium points.
and yea... that's what it is. 25 compendium points. not 2000.
"I want EG to win, and if not them, ANYONE but Team Secret." Kind of this for me too, but only against Secret because they're so heavily favored and the dynasty rn. I do like most of Secret's players tho.
i prefer EG to win. No because fanguy, or anything. The only team that secret cant CONFIRM a win on are EG, and that's because it depends on the match up, and I think its because they have PRO skills to go head to head. End of the day, the outplaying isn't a technical skill issue, but a strategy gameplay teamplay thing, and I feel that the EG team has the best of that from all the other teams!
If it isn't EG, then id certainly go for could 9, though I rated secret above them in my predictions.
Clearly Secret are overwhelming favourites based on recent months but noone knows what OP strats teams have been developing and hiding in the build up to TI. to think it is a forgone conclusion like some seem to is naive.
am i the only one who was facepalming thru all 3 games of mvp phoenix watching their mid player play ? that showfiend fail thread switches and missed razes nearly made me cry
i wanst watching him. i only had eyes to tuskar fail throughout the game, feeding every lane and noob vega going for a 15 min dagger instead of 8/9 min like wtf were they thinking feeding and shit instead of getting fast dagger and then trying to rape omfg! im glad they didnt win even though i was rooting for them. I had vega and mvp in the compendium. Awful ember against cdec and awful again against mvp
@concede
what's the pose for the effigy?
Hope my predictions of: goes thru
1. CDEC
2. Vega
3. MVP
4. Archon
Ez Compendiumlevels)
^1. CDEC
2. MVP
3. Vega
4. Archon
easy levelz!
does it give 20 lvls? or what
^ya
1. CDEC
2. Vega
3. MVP
4. Archon
god I hope Vega can take this series 2-0
Archon & MVP are actually really bad compared to other teams. Can't actually believe how bad they're. They make tons of individual mistakes. I seriously can't believe how Storm with such huge farm advantage could not win a game vs just Lion. Any top tier player would win it solo vs such a draft with so much early lead. His jumps were like random 4k MMR player, he either tilted really hard or he can't play the hero.
CDEC seems like a very good team, but tbh only Vega here is decent besides them.
@Benao You have like no foundation of how you feel S4 is a weak link of Secret. S4 is the captain and playing mid at the same time. It's impressive how great S4 is at dota, and you ditching him sounds extremely weird.
I don't even feel Secret has an extraordinary weak link, but if anything it for sure would be Zai. Zai was an impressive support player, but he's not a stable and consistent offlaner from what I've experienced. Also he doesn't communicate a lot, doesn't talk a lot at least from previous information which also is another weak point of a player when you don't make up for bad communication in your play.
I don't wanna ditch him though, as I'm often impressed of him, it's just not consistent.
@salsa
pose can be customized. Same as other effigies but hero cant change
and i dont see anywhere that the prediction for wildcard gives levels...
Yeah still waiting for Benao to link one match that even remotely backs up his statement on S4 weakest link.
Zai just doesn't have a huge stable of offlaners he is top notch on. Huge drop off in games where his best offlane heroes get banned.
aactually s4 and fear are my 2 favorite players and i know them very well skillwise and shit. Im not ditching or anything but f you wanna beat secret you go the rape s4 route! he's good, a prodigy and all you want but he was the reason they lost so much. i already gave an in depth analysis of them a while back, including where the weaknesses of EG, VICI and SECRET, and people read that 100% sure as a bit after that, vici started getting raped and so did EG while SECRET changed their strategy and started winning titles!!!!!
anyways
TLDR:
EG weakness sumail
vici weakness aggro and tempo control (aggro/faster)
secret, relying on s4 too much (with vulnerable lineup where he was the weakest pick) and sending him mid too much, role at which he's not doing enough (meta,etc) -->reason why he gets qop so much now.
Zai is actually only impressive on Brood. I think he is super overrated & I agree that he is the weakest link in TS.
my weakness 2 much fapping right arm hurts constantly :/
found it:
http://www.dotabuff.com/topics/2015-05-07-ti5-invites
3 months ago
^I kinda like ur analysis. I agree with u Benao.
Benao "ive been cheering for secret long enough. I hope S4 doesnt fuck up though. He's the weakest link. And i hope jerax and fly do good in their respective teams"
Even your own words don't paint him as the weakest link in fact your own words in that post re-iterate "I agree completely with everything you said about secret! I was surprised when i saw them having zai offlane! He's not exceptional, he's good, ok but definitely not TI winner worthy and can't pull up the team on his own."
Blowing up anyone's mid lane is the way to win though which is why in the last 2 out of 3 losses Secret had it involved a few things:
1. EG
2. Lesherac
3. Good roaming ganks
Your spot on a lot of things I probably would have just edited your first post in here to say something like you said in your 3 month ago post "Focusing S4 in any game secures you the win, that simple! he's the backbone of the team because zai doesn't work as a tank but as an initiator and disctractor and a distractor is useless if they really don't need to put attention on him (because he can't pull the team to the win). And kuro+puppey sacrifice so much as support they can't either while rtz gets the worst lane always!"
prettysure if u gank the shit out of mid player in any kind of game for any kind of team chances that u will win will increase greatly cuz mid players usualy does stuff all around the map
let it be pushing ganking or whatever else
i meant it like this:
You have this team of 5. You still want to win!. You have to beat s4, once you do you win game :D. He's the weak link of the "team", i like him a lot but that's just the way it is! He's super good but does that matter? Which is why etcc etc qop etc etc xD.
well thats why i meant im not saying s4 is noob :D!, its just that with that team he has to play a certain core role he "was" (and may not; lets hope he does) not filling properly, playing as he did before. He is now though. Just check the statistics from the TI 5 that was shared to teams/casters. They moved him to fill the tank role i talked about (bb/razor) and qop can just escape, super mobile and nuke terribly fast.
[Size=20]tldr: i should've worded it differently![/size]
btw -> s4 is not the mid for secret, he's the a carry/offlaner which is occasionally mid depending on what is drafted for rtz. Where focusing s4 "wherever" he is secures you the advantage.
Seems I fucked up my prediction. I must've missclicked... A miracle has to happen, mercy Gaben
^
seriously though... there is no reward for predicting the wildcard outcome listed in the compendium... unless you are talking about the play-in series... in which case you get a amazing 25 compendium points.
and yea... that's what it is. 25 compendium points. not 2000.
Big fat load of who gives a shit lol
I'm sure that's a bug, otherwise the prediction tab within the compendium would be worthless. Sure there is some prize
yea. it is worthless.
"i cant believe they invited LGD and VP :D"
nice analysis benao LOL
LGD is like top4 world right now
S E C R E T F A N G A Y
dat relocate rat
The amount of missplays are ridiculous, although is very tense. Can feel it, and it's just Wild Cards
time will show @sano
and wildcards are fun :D!
the first games of today were kinda boring but this one was pretty insane
can't wait for the one sided games in groupstages
let us know if you get only 25 dd
I'll do once I receive those mighty points
"I want EG to win, and if not them, ANYONE but Team Secret." Kind of this for me too, but only against Secret because they're so heavily favored and the dynasty rn. I do like most of Secret's players tho.
I feel like Empire could do really well
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/30117-can-secret-break-the-winners-curse-how-the-international-defies-projections
thoughts?
I want VG to win to avenge DAC 2015.
It's very likely Secret will win, though. They will only lose to a surprise strategy, I think.
i prefer EG to win. No because fanguy, or anything. The only team that secret cant CONFIRM a win on are EG, and that's because it depends on the match up, and I think its because they have PRO skills to go head to head. End of the day, the outplaying isn't a technical skill issue, but a strategy gameplay teamplay thing, and I feel that the EG team has the best of that from all the other teams!
If it isn't EG, then id certainly go for could 9, though I rated secret above them in my predictions.
DD DID WE WON?
Clearly Secret are overwhelming favourites based on recent months but noone knows what OP strats teams have been developing and hiding in the build up to TI. to think it is a forgone conclusion like some seem to is naive.
And the "trash" team MVP won.
trash mvp has only met fellow trash opponents. Lets see how they do against real contenders. there are so many bad teams :D!!!
I don't understand why Vega allowed MVP to pick Io and Bristleback twice in a row.
Secret vs Fanatic tonight, what's the predictions guys :-P how many minutes for Fanatic to call GG???
they should put up a fight so lets say ~15 min?
am i the only one who was facepalming thru all 3 games of mvp phoenix watching their mid player play ? that showfiend fail thread switches and missed razes nearly made me cry
i wanst watching him. i only had eyes to tuskar fail throughout the game, feeding every lane and noob vega going for a 15 min dagger instead of 8/9 min like wtf were they thinking feeding and shit instead of getting fast dagger and then trying to rape omfg! im glad they didnt win even though i was rooting for them. I had vega and mvp in the compendium. Awful ember against cdec and awful again against mvp