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General Discussionif the meta is all about deathball

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sleave

    why we don't see necro getting picked? the guy is really good at early/mid game 5 man fights
    can someone explain me why? i know there are better options such as DP that can push towers fast too, but when DP is banned why wouldn't you consider picking necro?

    I'm 14k mmr let me mid

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      King of Low Prio

        because this meta shit is nonsense

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          Even Timbersaw is better in terms of sustain damage during fights so no, he is really not that good. Also he will just get bursted and he wants the fights to be long so he can spam death pulse and burn everyone with aura. This is kind of the same reason BB isn't picked. Also his laning sucks.

          Quick maffs

            D: dont say those things about necro man

            DoubleR

              I hate the current meta, 20 minute gg's are not entertaining to watch

              allidoiswynn

                If you want to set a trend you should go ahead on show how people should play with this hero.
                Necro is also a straightforward hero with clear goals (However most players with terribe item choices) and easy and gameimpactfull spells. 60% WR Does not come out of nowhere. He was one of the 2 choices for my smurf account, however I choose the other hero

                @Sam
                Necro might not have the burst as Timber does but he sustains the team and pushed way more than timber ever did. The problem is his tankability is lacking if he has no team support or no herokill to support his regen. Also Ult at a fight at enemies bases especially on one of the cores can easily decide the game

                Hex Sigma

                  @DoubleR I agree with you but icefag is too lazy to update the damn game.

                  Quick maffs

                    My only issue with necro is if i dont get the kills on the teamfights i am worst than a creep

                    [Lk].Zano

                      Pros seem to take a really long time to put a hero into the meta. Look how long and how many buffs it took Skybird to be a common pick. I think there was a dota1 Necro meta, but until some pro from a well known team stomps with a hero, the rest will not consider even trying it.

                      Z__

                        Necro sucks early game, that's why. After 3 pulses you will be out of mana if you can't get a kill or hit a couple of creeps. If they buffed him so his aura worked in an aoe (like bs' lifesteal) he would be much more viable.

                        Zahard

                          because there is no shit such as deathball meta in pubs

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                          sleave

                            but im talking about competitive scene allison

                            #12

                              The mana issues might be part of it, but on a team with 2-3 arcane boots that wouldn't be a problem. I think he just is not good enough in lane, in death ball you really have to have a bit of an advantage coming out of lanes otherwise the other team can just TP in and fight you when you try to push. If you are just taking him for the heals you might as well pick some one like WD or enchantress, who gives more to early fights/ganks (& pushes in enchantresses case).

                              Zahard

                                he isnt picked in competitive because ppl didnt figure out how to play him yet (laning etc). he is in the same situation with tusk/omni etc

                                King of Low Prio

                                  I really hate the new people who came to dota2 and think that icefrog tries to make every hero top tier. He fucks around with the 'meta' and constantly changes heroes even if they are 'balanced'. This is how people who have been around for 10 years still find the game fun because it is constantly changed just for the sake of change.

                                  Gustaphos

                                    Why hate on 20 minute games? Know what I hate? 40 min + games...

                                    Dire Wolf

                                      There isn't any meta in pubs. People just pick what they want to play. The resemblance to the pro meta is people see pros using heroes and want to try them, realize they are strong and keep picking them. A guy picking brew every game is not following the death ball meta, he is trying to be like pros and pick brew a lot. This is why I laugh whenever anyone tries to tell me your pick doesn't fit meta, or our lineup doesn't fit the current meta. No such thing.

                                      Dizzy

                                        ^^ they probably come from LoL where meta change is forbidden if u dare trilane u will be HWID banned for life :P

                                        Quick maffs

                                          They cant buff necro more are you crazy ? If they do it get ready to see 70 % winrate necro

                                          Dizzy

                                            lol i watched my room mate play necro the other day i believe he is 2.7k mmrish they have no idea wat heart stopper even is in laning phase they just suiciding and spamming "WTF???" lol

                                            Hopeless

                                              59% win rate this month.

                                              Just saying.

                                              Z__

                                                @dorkly: If you nerf heartstopper so people in pubs can actually lane against him and buff sadist the way I said, he could be viable in pro matches without being op in pubs. IMO his biggest impact is making you buy a shitton of regen while laning or forcing you out of the lane, which makes you go behind in farm.

                                                Quick maffs

                                                  I dont think that its his biggest impact, sadist is already a really fucking good skill, i think if they do what you are saying his winrate would increase even more, but who knows.

                                                  nlnj_a

                                                    I love me some Necro.
                                                    Gank him super early and he won't do much since he relies on mana and first couple levels of his q are junk.

                                                    But he needs to stay back in fights until someone is being targeted on your team and then spam pulse and try to get your team to spam their scary hero so you can scythe them.

                                                    King of Low Prio

                                                      necro aura is fucking annoying.